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Old January 12th, 2018, 10:24 PM   #1
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"Medievael" condition in southern Italy pre 1950s


I often read that southern Italy pre 1950s had medievael conditions for it's peasent inhabitants what does that mean exactly?
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Lack of electricity, indoor plumbing, literacy, etc.
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Old January 13th, 2018, 08:58 PM   #3
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How bad was it compared to other parts of the world?
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Some German officers had a higher regard for Italian soldiers from northern Italy and a lower regard for soldiers from southern Italy. Specifically, I recall at least one German mentioning that education levels were higher in the north and this made for better soldiers.


In the US, bringing electricity to the rural America was a major federal program started in the 1930s as part of the New Deal. It wasn't until the 1950s that the project was mostly finished although a few areas, like Appalachia, were still not electrified until the 1960s. So as regards to electricity, southern Italy wasn't very far behind the rural US.

I live in rural America and the old timers around here say that septic tanks began to be used here only in the 1950s. Before that they used outhouses. (Septic tank technology is much older, but apparently was not widely used, at least not here.) So again, as to indoor plumbing, southern Italy was not that far behind some rural parts of the US.
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I think it refer (also) to semi-feudal conditions among peasants and local big men. The same is true for central and southern Spain, where until 1970, the owners of the large estates were called "patrón" or "señor". Also there were contracts of feudal nature, for example the production of a given rented land, was paid in kind in many areas.
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I often read that southern Italy pre 1950s had medievael conditions for it's peasent inhabitants what does that mean exactly?

You're probably thinking of the town of Matera where some people still lived in caves with their animals:

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Some German officers had a higher regard for Italian soldiers from northern Italy and a lower regard for soldiers from southern Italy. Specifically, I recall at least one German mentioning that education levels were higher in the north and this made for better soldiers.


In the US, bringing electricity to the rural America was a major federal program started in the 1930s as part of the New Deal. It wasn't until the 1950s that the project was mostly finished although a few areas, like Appalachia, were still not electrified until the 1960s. So as regards to electricity, southern Italy wasn't very far behind the rural US.

I live in rural America and the old timers around here say that septic tanks began to be used here only in the 1950s. Before that they used outhouses. (Septic tank technology is much older, but apparently was not widely used, at least not here.) So again, as to indoor plumbing, southern Italy was not that far behind some rural parts of the US.
Are there any graphs or reports on this comparing countries on this?
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Are there any graphs or reports on this comparing countries on this?
These sorts of toilets were still common in many industrial towns in the 1950s and 1960s in England. They were constructed in the 1800s when the towns and cities needed factory workers. The worst of the houses, called slums, were demolished and the better ones were converted to have indoor facilities.

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This one survives in a 'Pit Village Museum' at Beamish:

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I remember similar ones from Germany in the 1960s.


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French squat toilets were worse though

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Christ Stopped at Eboli is worth reading.
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