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Old June 16th, 2018, 01:58 PM   #101
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Wrong. See 1910 census. 9,944,627 in Hungary and in Croatia: 105,948.

So the number of Hungarians in the whole Kingdom was over 10M in 1910
i cited 1900 data (as Lech originally asked for that year), you cited 1910 one, non of us is wrong, just time passed between the two censuses.
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Old June 16th, 2018, 02:01 PM   #102
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that 4m+1m population is a quite outdated estimate as far as i know, more recent ones put it lower, see

Who was stronger?
I suggest rather reading of the 1495 census: Okay? Link:
http://www.mtafki.hu/konyvtar/kiadv/...indexMAPe.html
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... just time passed between the two censuses.
And some long winter nights too, no TV, no radio, no internet, just some bor and the wife ...
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i cited 1900 data (as Lech originally asked for that year), you cited 1910 one, non of us is wrong, just time passed between the two censuses.
No, you estimated 10M globally with the addition of some hundred tousands or a million Hungarians in the Americas, I proved that it was over 10M in Kingdom of Hungary without Americans.
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I suggest rather reading of the 1495 census: Okay? Link:
Series of ethnicmaps...
What census, kedvesjanossy ?

apud Your link (Series of ethnicmaps...):

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... 454,000 people might have lived ...
...might be estimated at 100,000 each ...
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I suggest rather reading of the 1495 census: Okay? Link:
Series of ethnicmaps...
i also encourage you to read your own link, i quote from there

"During the 1495 assessment of taxes of the 2.9 million population of the Hungarian Kingdom..." compare this to what you claimed (4 million +1 million with Croatia)
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What census, kedvesjanossy ?

apud Your link (Series of ethnicmaps...):
MEdieval era estimations and censuses always start with the sentence "Might have"
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i also encourage you to read your own link, i quote from there

"During the 1495 assessment of taxes of the 2.9 million population of the Hungarian Kingdom..." compare this to what you claimed (4 million +1 million with Croatia)
Éva Molnár, Hungary: essential facts, figures & pictures, MTI Media Data Bank, 1995 estimation 5M


Lauren S. Bahr, Bernard Johnston (M.A.), Collier's encyclopedia: with bibliography and index, Volume 12
estimation: 5M


Elena Mannová, Blanka Brezováková, A concise history of Slovakia, Historický ústav SAV,
estimation 4M (excluding Croatia)

Marcell Sebők, The man of many devices, who wandered full many ways--: festschrift in honour of János M. Bak, Central European University Press,
estimated 4M without Croatia.



Estimates for 1493 gives the combined population of Poland and Lithuania at 7.5 million, breaking them down by ethnicity at 3.25 million Poles

It means Kingdom of Poland had smaller population.

ESTIMATED ENGLISH POPULATION IN 1490: 2,140,000

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MEdieval era estimations and censuses always start with the sentence "Might have"
Medieval or not medieval, estimations are one thing, censuses are another thing.
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Éva Molnár, Hungary: essential facts, figures & pictures, MTI Media Data Bank, 1995 estimation 5M


Lauren S. Bahr, Bernard Johnston (M.A.), Collier's encyclopedia: with bibliography and index, Volume 12
estimation: 5M


Elena Mannová, Blanka Brezováková, A concise history of Slovakia, Historický ústav SAV,
estimation 4M (excluding Croatia)

Marcell Sebők, The man of many devices, who wandered full many ways--: festschrift in honour of János M. Bak, Central European University Press,
estimated 4M without Croatia.
yep these probably just use the older estimates by Györffy and Szűcs, again i recommend you to check the Kubinyi article i linked above https://tti.btk.mta.hu/images/kiadva...-3/kubinyi.pdf, your own link also closer to that (in fact using the lower estimates of Kubinyi as i see)
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