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Old March 26th, 2018, 01:57 AM   #41

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Don't be too modest Tsar. It would interesting to compare Transylvania and Hungary.
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Don't be too modest Tsar.
Agreed- that was a good example of this forum at its best and why I enjoy this forum so much sometime, contributions of real depth of research like that one from tsar, kirialax on the ERE, and so on.
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Agreed- that was a good example of this forum at its best and why I enjoy this forum so much sometime, contributions of real depth of research like that one from tsar, kirialax on the ERE, and so on.
Yes, Tsar's response here was certainly excellent.

Also, for the record, just because I don't respond to something doesn't mean that I haven't read it. Indeed, sometimes I just don't have much to say.
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they failed cause
1. slovaks never forgot their native language
2. they lost war against ottomans and their magyar territory was conquered by turks, just city of Pressburg(and some territories of Slovakia) survived this and became new capital of Royal Hungary under Maria Theresia for more than 300y
3. territory belonging to Habsburg Empire after Ottoman invasion called Royal Hungary(the only one territory of great hungary which surived ottoman invasion) wasnt even Magyar but Austrian.
4. In 1848 magyars revolted against Austrian domination and started fakeing history of magyars and reunited old hungary again. They built their new capital Buda A Pest and wanted to magyarizate all people living in hungary till world war 1. Unsucesfully

Simply after revolution of 1848 it wasnt the real Hungary as it was before Ottoman invasion and they wanted to act like Magyars always played major role in Royal Hungary. But they didnt. They never again gained power over the lands which they lost in treaty of Trianon.

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they failed cause
1. slovaks never forgot their native language
2. they lost war against ottomans and their magyar territory was conquered by turks, just city of Pressburg(and some territories of Slovakia) survived this and became new capital of Royal Hungary under Maria Theresia for more than 300y
3. territory belonging to Habsburg Empire after Ottoman invasion called Royal Hungary(the only one territory of great hungary which surived ottoman invasion) wasnt even Magyar but Austrian.
4. In 1848 magyars revolted against Austrian domination and started fakeing history of magyars and reunited old hungary again. They built their new capital Buda A Pest and wanted to magyarizate all people living in hungary till world war 1. Unsucesfully

Simply after revolution of 1848 it wasnt the real Hungary as it was before Ottoman invasion and they wanted to act like Magyars always played major role in Royal Hungary. But they didnt. They never again gained power over the lands which they lost in treaty of Trianon.
Man, I wish history was this simple.
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Man, I wish history was this simple.
Whats wrong with it?
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Whats wrong with it?
Uh, where do I start:

1. It doesn't require one to forget the native language in order to get "magyarized". Hungarian governments tried to impose Hungarian as official language, they didn't try to virtually eradicate other languages (at least until the ending years of Austria-Hungary).

2.1. While present-day territory of Slovakia comprised a good part of the so-called "Royal Hungary", it cannot be argued that there was no "Magyar" population inside it. A quick glance at the map would show that:

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Nevermind the fact that even Captaincy of Upper Hungary didn't belong to "Royal Hungary" before 1554.

2.2. Pozsony/Pressburg didn't become the capital of Hungary. The virtual court of Hungary moved to Vienna. Pozsony/Pressburg however was the crowning place of Habsburgs as kings of Hungary until 1830 and it doesn't have anything to do with Maria Theresa.

3. It certainly wasn't. "Royal Hungary" was a separate territory with separate institution. The only thing that connected Hungary with Austria were the rulers, however even they were (at least officially) elected and not hereditary. The territory certainly wasn't ethnically Austrian.

4. Hungary practically didn't exist in the 1849-1860 period:

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While Buda and Pest were connected in 1849, Hungarian territories were re-united only in 1881, after Military Frontier was finally dissolved.
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Uh, where do I start:

1. It doesn't require one to forget the native language in order to get "magyarized". Hungarian governments tried to impose Hungarian as official language, they didn't try to virtually eradicate other languages (at least until the ending years of Austria-Hungary).

2.1. While present-day territory of Slovakia comprised a good part of the so-called "Royal Hungary", it cannot be argued that there was no "Magyar" population inside it. A quick glance at the map would show that:

Click the image to open in full size.

Nevermind the fact that even Captaincy of Upper Hungary didn't belong to "Royal Hungary" before 1554.

2.2. Pozsony/Pressburg didn't become the capital of Hungary. The virtual court of Hungary moved to Vienna. Pozsony/Pressburg however was the crowning place of Habsburgs as kings of Hungary until 1830 and it doesn't have anything to do with Maria Theresa.

3. It certainly wasn't. "Royal Hungary" was a separate territory with separate institution. The only thing that connected Hungary with Austria were the rulers, however even they were (at least officially) elected and not hereditary. The territory certainly wasn't ethnically Austrian.

4. Hungary practically didn't exist in the 1849-1860 period:

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While Buda and Pest were connected in 1849, Hungarian territories were re-united only in 1881, after Military Frontier was finally dissolved.
Thanck You Tzar!

Can I point out a small detail (just for orientating on contemporary maps)? : Pozsony/Pressburg is today's Bratislava.
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2.1 but they werent majority there that region southern of Pressburg is todays Burgenland and it is/was full of croatians who were coming to Pressburg in those times. Its more like croatian land than hungarian. And i know about Upper Hungary its completly different region than western slovakia region. Upper Hungary even fighted with ottomans against our Pressburg and Vienna region

2.2 Yeah it was under Vienna but it was literally capital city of hungary under austrian rule after all Pressburg & Wien are twin cities and they were even in Roman Empire period. Pressburg people stopped turks on danube.

3. How not? My Grandma was austrian/german from Pressburg. It was austrian city but not whole western slovakia was austrian

And those maps of Hungary are always not accurate... They show whole slovakia as part of Hungary but some parts of western slovakia in region Zahorie were part of HRE and not Hungary...

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Even first president of Czechoslovakia T.G. Masaryk in the interview with the Deli Hirlap, Masaryk said “[W]hat concerns Pressburg, it basically belongs as little to Hungary as to us, it is after all a German city."
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