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Old May 8th, 2018, 07:09 PM   #1
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Question The Lost Territories of the Western World


the Western world has always been expanding, from the Greek colonies and the Roman empire in the old age to the conquests of colonialism in the age of discovery.

The West has conquered and Westernized the Americas, Oceania, and parts of Asia and Africa, in a way Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan are now part of the West or have become part of the West.

The only times I am aware that western territories have lost anatolia to the present turkey (which is now returning to the west), the east and north of africa that territories were part of rome and the Byzantine empire for a thousand years, russia when it became Soviet.

He wished to know whether, in addition to northern africa, uprising, anatolia (turkey) and russia, the west already lost territories that were westernized and not just territories conquered by the West like sub-Saharan Africa.

What territories were they considered part of the West that became part of other cultures and civilizations?
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I'd toss in consideration for Poland/Lithuania. At one time they were progressive, about on par with "the West", only to eventually get steamrolled by the Russians. One could make the argument that Poland is "back" in the Western Sphere.
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the Western world has always been expanding, from the Greek colonies and the Roman empire in the old age to the conquests of colonialism in the age of discovery.

The West has conquered and Westernized the Americas, Oceania, and parts of Asia and Africa, in a way Japan, South Korea, and Taiwan are now part of the West or have become part of the West.

The only times I am aware that western territories have lost anatolia to the present turkey (which is now returning to the west), the east and north of africa that territories were part of rome and the Byzantine empire for a thousand years, russia when it became Soviet.

He wished to know whether, in addition to northern africa, uprising, anatolia (turkey) and russia, the west already lost territories that were westernized and not just territories conquered by the West like sub-Saharan Africa.

What territories were they considered part of the West that became part of other cultures and civilizations?
There is also the northern Middle East. Indeed, the territories which are now Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, and Iran were previously a part of the Roman and Byzantine Empires but then got conquered by the Muslims. The same was also true of Palestine, but most of Palestine (as in, within the borders of the British Mandate of Palestine) has returned to the West after the creation of Israel.
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I'd toss in consideration for Poland/Lithuania. At one time they were progressive, about on par with "the West", only to eventually get steamrolled by the Russians. One could make the argument that Poland is "back" in the Western Sphere.
By that logic, the West also lost the rest of Eastern Europe after the end of World War II due to it falling under Communist rule for almost half a century.
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If it is debatable what we mean by "the western world" (and I think it is) it is also debatable if and when "it" expanded.
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Is the western world today more influenced by Anglo-Saxon culture than Greco-Roman?
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Not so far back in the past European colonial powers had vast empires overseas. Now lost territories.Especially the five countries: Great Britain (then including Ireland), france, the Netherlands, Portugal, Spain. Japan, Korea, Taiwan are industrialized, but how to be seen as part of the "European" west beyond that?
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Is the western world today more influenced by Anglo-Saxon culture than Greco-Roman?
All of it? I would opine "no." And even Britain was brought back into the Greco-Roman sphere to a large extent at the time of the Conquest. For example, all English schools taught Latin and the Universities taught Greek and Latin.
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