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Old July 3rd, 2018, 12:55 PM   #1
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The main reason of the German defeat in WW2: OIL and forced demotorization (VIDEO)


The German defeat in WW2 has surly many-many reasons, but this is vastly overshadow every other reasons and aspects. OIL and forced DEMOTORIZATION of the German army.

It is an extremely well prepared very very professional video about the situation in WW2, with hundreds of references from books. Germany, Europe's biggest motor and vehicle manufacturer of pre WW2 era had to demotorize its army because of the lack of oil.



What is your opinion about it?

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Old July 3rd, 2018, 01:27 PM   #2
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The German defeat in WW2 has surly many-many reasons, but this is vastly overshadow every other reasons and aspects. OIL and forced DEMOTORIZATION of the German army.

It is an extremely well prepared very very professional video about the situation in WW2, with hundreds of references from books. Germany, Europe's biggest motor and vehicle manufacturer of pre WW2 era had to demotorize its army because of the lack of oil.



What is your opinion about it?
Was Germany not in want of almost every kind of resources, though oil may have been most important?
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Old July 3rd, 2018, 02:10 PM   #3
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They were short of trucks, never had enough of them, becaue they relied on Blitzkrieg too much. When that stalled in Russia, they started to eat into their resources and getting new supplies became an extra consideration. They were able to adapt to many things, even producing a fuel made from alcohol by fermentating potatoes, but after Stalingrad, they couldn't get enough petrol to launch major offensives, into the the Caucasian oil fields for example.

For more info, see the wiki page and follow some of the references:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_ca...f_World_War_II
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They were short of trucks, never had enough of them, becaue they relied on Blitzkrieg too much. When that stalled in Russia, they started to eat into their resources and getting new supplies became an extra consideration. They were able to adapt to many things, even producing a fuel made from alcohol by fermentating potatoes, but after Stalingrad, they couldn't get enough petrol to launch major offensives, into the the Caucasian oil fields for example.

For more info, see the wiki page and follow some of the references:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_ca...f_World_War_II
Was the guy enough prepared about the topic in this video?
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Was the guy enough prepared about the topic in this video?
It's far too simple. The oil became a more of a problem as the war went on because battles at Stalingrad and Kursk were lost. Changing direction once they were near Moscow compounded the problem. Being unprepared for a winter was poor planning.


... and so on.
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Was the guy enough prepared about the topic in this video?
Who is 'the guy' then?

I thought the reason was:

Russia and the invasion thereof

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The main reason is, Germany was not strong enough. Germany at the time was a parade army. They paraded through most of Europe with Blitzkriegs facing no opposition, until warfront was formed in Russia at the end of 1942, and they lost the war once that happened. Which is when GB and US engaged in talks with Stalin.
It's not enough to have superior equipment and organization to win. There must be strength to suffer heavy casualties, big time, and they did not have that.
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Yes.

The reason was the Red Army.
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The main reason is, Germany was not strong enough. Germany at the time was a parade army. They paraded through most of Europe with Blitzkriegs facing no opposition, until warfront was formed in Russia at the end of 1942, and they lost the war once that happened. Which is when GB and US engaged in talks with Stalin.
It's not enough to have superior equipment and organization to win. There must be strength to suffer heavy casualties, big time, and they did not have that.
I think Russia was too weak to oppose the Germans on his own economic and technological strength. It was the mighty USA, who bombed Germany to the ground, and supported the USSR with vital technologies and materials.
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I’m pretty sure this person in the video is on the right track. Oil or the lack of it was a huge acchilles’ heel for the Germans. Speer mentions it several times in his memoirs. The lack of oil for petrol was a crippling blow to the Luftwaffe for several reasons. They had so little aviation fuel that they were forced to use it only for actual combat. Training of new pilots suffered because they could not spare the fuel for their trainee pilots. This resulted in young pilots being sent into combat with insufficient training hours, right at the moment when long-range Mustangs began to be used over Germany.

The other wrinkle in the aviation story is that the Germans (like the Russians) used gasoline with a lower octane rating than American and British fuel (imported from the US). Getting the octane numbers up required greater refining capability and the use of tetraethyl lead. The Germans - great organic chemists - knew how to do this, but lacked the resources to make it happen. The Russians also had this problem until they received US-produced fuel through Persia under Lend-Lease. Maybe also through Murmansk and Archangel as well.

I was always puzzled by the Germans’ failure to take Moscow and why they suddenly turned south. Now it makes much more sense. They were, simply, desperate for oil and needed it in order to keep their war machine operating. What I did not realize is just how acute the shortage already was in 1941 which seems to be a result of very poor planning on the part of Germany.

Whatever, after roller skating through Denmark, Norway, the Netherlands, Belgium and France, it’s not too surprising that the Germans suffered from “victory disease” that gave them the certainty that their enemies were all shrinking violets. Goebbels basically said that Russia was like an old shack that would collapse once the door was kicked in. How wrong he was.

I don’t know about Dunkirk. Maybe the presenter is right about the Panzer Halt order. I’ve heard the arguments on both sides of this issue and still don’t know enough to make up my mind.

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