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Old July 10th, 2018, 11:10 AM   #1
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Magyar invasions


Hello everybody.Where can we study a map of the Magyar invasions during the Middle Age ? Thank you very much.
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In the 10th century:

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Thank you very much.Can we have details about their strategy and tactics ? Thank you very much.
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Old July 13th, 2018, 12:25 PM   #5
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The Magyars used light cavalry with bows. This meant they were fast and mobile. The europeans used mainly heavy armored cavalry at the time. The tactics of the Magyars was unusual for the time, which gave them decades of successes against their enemies: they tried to encircle the other army and shoot waves of arrows on it (on horseback, which the europeans hadn't encountered in living memory). Then they deceived the enemy with a false flight and waited for the surprise moment to turn around and trap the enemy army.


They plundered the rural areas and when they didn't catch them off guard, they didn't attack castles/forts and cities.

But in 955, during a pillaging raid into Germany, after they had devastated large regions, out of nowhere the Magyars suddenly started to siege Augsburg. This is taken as indication, that they tried to expand west again and at minimum tried to conquer the bajuwarian and the alemannic stem duchies of Germany. Augsburg wasn't fortified very well, but bishop Ulrich managed to hold the city. When one of the leaders of the Magyars died in battle, they stopped the attack. The next day they returned with siege engines (does anybody know which siege engines they used?). Bishop Ulrich still managed to hold the city and buy time, until the king showed up. On the Battle of the Lechfeld, the Magayars were decisively defeated. After that they never went to plunder west again, though they continued with their raids south, e.g. into the Byzantine Empire.


You know you have a biiiiig problem, when steppe people start besieging your cities.

Imagine the Magyars had won that battle and that siege: Magyars with better cavalry and superior tactics besieging cities from the Iberian Peninsula to the Byzantine Empire and from the Cimbrian Peninsula to Calabria. Maybe christian europe wouldn't have survived that extra blow, being under attack by muslims, vikings and Magyars simultaneously.
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Thank you very much.Now a child s question:did they try to imitate the cavalry of Attila,the king of the Huns ? Thank you.
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Thank you very much.Now a child s question:did they try to imitate the cavalry of Attila,the king of the Huns ? Thank you.
I doubt they knew who Attila was. Attila was centuries gone before the Magyars arrived o the scene, and the Magyars don't look to be the kind that were big into history. The Magyars were different ethnicity from the Huns, so likely they wouldn't have picked up oral history about Attila either.

The Magyar's probably decided that since they had a lot of success in just raiding, and so decided to try their hand at capturing bigger prizes, which was probably a mistake. There light horse tactics were good for hit and run raids, less so for a stand up fight. By besieging Augsburg, the allow Otto to trap the Magyars, and inflict a decissive defeat on them, the Magyar never again engaing in the kind of raiding they had done the previous 100 years.

Note, in tne 9th century, looking at pictures of European soldiers and cavalry, the European horsemen weren't the heavily armored knignts they later were. The horsemen in tne Bayeux Tapestry are wearing a lot more armor than you see them wearing from images around of the time of Charlesmange. it probably wasn't until a little before the time of the Battle of Lechfeld that European knights became heavily armored, I think. And at the time of Chralemange. his armies were much more infantry based, so sometime between his time and Lech Raids like those of the Magyars probably conviced Europeans to adopt a more cavalry based army.
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