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Old August 12th, 2018, 12:15 PM   #1

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Hi, the following is from Faiz El-Ghusein's Martyred Armenia. Faiz El-Ghusein was a lawyer and official of the Ottoman Empire, who was exiled to Mosul and Diyarbekir due to the his sentiment for Arab Revolution. He is an eyewitness to the event, and during his exile, he was being transfered across the syria and southeastern Ottoman Empire. Here is the passage from his memoirs;




"The Germans and the Armenians.—Whenever the talk fell on the Armenians I used to blame the Turks for their proceedings, but one day when we were discussing the question, an official of Diarbekir, who was one of the fanatical Young Turk Nationalists, said: “The Turks are not to blame in this matter, for the Germans were the first to apply this treatment to the Poles, who were under their rule. And the Germans have compelled the Turks to take this course, saying that if they did not kill the Armenians there would be no alliance with them, and thus Turkey had no choice.”
This is what the Turk said, word for word. And it was confirmed by what I heard from a Turk who was imprisoned with me at Aalîya, on the charge of corresponding with Abdul-Kerîm el-Khalîl. He said that when passing through Damascus he had visited the German Vice-Consul there, who had told him confidentially that Oppenheim had come on a special mission, which was to incite Jemâl Pasha to persecute the Arabs, with a view to causing hatred between the two races, by which the Germans might profit in future if differences arose between them and the Turks. This was a short time previous to the execution of Abdul-Kerîm."




What are your opinions about this? What is his creditibility, (if existing) counter-arguements to him and so on ? I would like to discuss about it.
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Imperial Germany didn't ethnically cleanse its Poles en masse either before or during World War I, though; thus, I am skeptical of his credibility.
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Hi, the following is from Faiz El-Ghusein's Martyred Armenia. Faiz El-Ghusein was a lawyer and official of the Ottoman Empire, who was exiled to Mosul and Diyarbekir due to the his sentiment for Arab Revolution. He is an eyewitness to the event, and during his exile, he was being transfered across the syria and southeastern Ottoman Empire. Here is the passage from his memoirs;




"The Germans and the Armenians.—Whenever the talk fell on the Armenians I used to blame the Turks for their proceedings, but one day when we were discussing the question, an official of Diarbekir, who was one of the fanatical Young Turk Nationalists, said: “The Turks are not to blame in this matter, for the Germans were the first to apply this treatment to the Poles, who were under their rule. And the Germans have compelled the Turks to take this course, saying that if they did not kill the Armenians there would be no alliance with them, and thus Turkey had no choice.”
This is what the Turk said, word for word. And it was confirmed by what I heard from a Turk who was imprisoned with me at Aalîya, on the charge of corresponding with Abdul-Kerîm el-Khalîl. He said that when passing through Damascus he had visited the German Vice-Consul there, who had told him confidentially that Oppenheim had come on a special mission, which was to incite Jemâl Pasha to persecute the Arabs, with a view to causing hatred between the two races, by which the Germans might profit in future if differences arose between them and the Turks. This was a short time previous to the execution of Abdul-Kerîm."




What are your opinions about this? What is his creditibility, (if existing) counter-arguements to him and so on ? I would like to discuss about it.
Of course the blame could not be with he Turks-how pathetic.
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Of course the blame could not be with he Turks-how pathetic.



? I am asking for the creditibility of the source, did not state whether i agree or disagree with the passage.


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Imperial Germany didn't ethnically cleanse its Poles en masse either before or during World War I, though; thus, I am skeptical of his credibility.
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? I am asking for the creditibility of the source, did not state whether i agree or disagree with the passage.
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