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Old September 12th, 2010, 10:04 PM   #11

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Re: D-Day or Stalingrad???


Seems historum very much likes the USSR involvement in WW2.

I'd say Stalingrad due to the fact that it was the turning point on the Eastern front while D-Day was not the turning point on the Western front.
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Old September 13th, 2010, 12:57 AM   #12

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There is no doubt that it was the Russians who broke the German war machine, and that Stalingrad was the major turning-point. But in a war of that kind, it was not a mattter of either-or, Germany's difficulties were vastly increased by the fact that it was having to fight on more than one front.
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Both are overrated. During the battle of Stalingrad, the war was already lost.
Till the end of 1941 the wehrmacht and its allies had lost about 1 million soldiers by dead or injury 2.752 Panzerkampfwagen and Sturmgeschütze, 24.849 Kfz, 38.544 Krafträder and 35.194 Lkw. At the beginning the wehrmacht nearly 3 million soldiers, 3648 Panzerkampfwagen and Sturmgeschütze and 600.000 cars. So especially at the tanks the german losses were overwhelming in percentage. Allthough the SU had lost till the same time about 6 millions by dead and POW, they were stronger than before.

When the D-day started Germany was already beaten. it was just the question, who is first in Berlin.
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Old September 13th, 2010, 01:28 AM   #14
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Well, I think you should specify "more important". More important military-wise, or politically?

Even if we talk about political importance: D-Day secured political influence in liberated Europe to USA. But heck, Stalingrad was major step in Germany losing the war and its position in Europe. Without that, Hitler would be in control of entire Europe, and I hardly can see D-Day happening at all.
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from a political standpoint of course d-day is very important, that's true.
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Gonna throw Kursk out there.
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Re: D-Day or Stalingrad???


Stalingrad is more important to the war, clearly,although D-day is probably just as important in forming post-war Europe.
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Gonna throw Kursk out there.
Kursk was militarily more important than Stalingrad, indeed.
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Old September 13th, 2010, 07:36 AM   #19

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Re: D-Day or Stalingrad???


The thing of it is, there is no way Germany was going to defeat Russia all the way back to the Pacific Ocean. That is, a German victory was only ever going to happen by the two coming to terms favorable to Germany.

That would have required Germany winning every single battle decisively. That failed signally to happen at the Battle of Moscow(October 1941 and January 1942).

In short, all the Russians had to do is keep showing up for the battles and eventually, they'd win the last one.
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Re: D-Day or Stalingrad???


Would D-day ever have happened if the USSR hadn't already broken the Wehrmacht? The campaign for the Second Front didn't achieve a lot till then, I think, though we could argue abou North Africa and Italy, doubtless.
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