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Old September 13th, 2010, 09:07 AM   #21

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Stalingrad. A complete and utter defeat for the Germans and a sign of things to come.
D-day did indeed speed up the inevitable.
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Old September 13th, 2010, 12:20 PM   #22
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I'd say neither. The war was against the Germans in the winter of 41. The blitzkrieg was the key. There was no plan B be of how to address the stalemate in front of Moscow, it went down to bad logistics. There was no talk about withdrawal, because Hitler had already gone bat-crazy by then. I'd just hit Moscow with all I had and if that failed, run home. The German retreat would have been far safer then what happened to Napoleon. Nazis had minds of their own. All hanged on the thin rope of surprise war. Stalin was scared when the Germans were coming, his train was waiting to take him away, so yes, the Germans meant business with the blitzkrieg war. After that it was agony and lunacy, and wochenshau.
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Old September 14th, 2010, 03:09 AM   #23

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Stalingrad, for sure. Stalingrad affected the outcome of WW2 much more than D-Day, which affected who controlled what after Germany's inevitable defeat.
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Old September 14th, 2010, 03:49 AM   #24

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Me and my friend got into a fight recently over what was more important for the course of WW2... So what better place to ask than here... D-Day or Stalingrad???
TELL YOUR FRIEND that the battle of Kursk was the most important battle in world war 2
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TELL YOUR FRIEND that the battle of Kursk was the most important battle in world war 2
i don't know if was the most important battle, but one of the most. It was more important than stalingrad. but do you know why?
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i don't know if was the most important battle, but one of the most. It was more important than stalingrad. but do you know why?
The largest of the Soviet forces and the largest of the German forces were assembled, it was the biggest battle in history, and the bloodiest, there really was no battle of Stalingrad but more or less a lot of battles divided up, but D-Day was an actual battle, they are not really comparable and i decided to add in my opinion...
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Old September 17th, 2010, 02:15 PM   #27

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I hope you said Stalingrad. Stalingrad was way more important. That allowed the Russians the edge on the Germans.
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The largest of the Soviet forces and the largest of the German forces were assembled, it was the biggest battle in history, and the bloodiest, there really was no battle of Stalingrad but more or less a lot of battles divided up, but D-Day was an actual battle, they are not really comparable and i decided to add in my opinion...
The reason why I would put Kursk over stalingrad is, that germany lost in Stalingrad an army, that was very bad, but could be compensated. In Kursk the Wehrmacht lost, allthough the Russians lost more tanks, about 350 of the 2500-3000 tanks and StG while the Russians lost about 2000 of their 6000-8000 tanks. The russians could repair a lot of them and were producing great amounts of tanks. For the Wehrmacht every tank was a severe loss. While the german troops were exhausted, the russian were ready for another offensive.
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I told u!!!! hehehehe, (sta sam ja tebi kazo?)
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Old September 27th, 2010, 05:51 AM   #30

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D-day was executed relativly close to the German power centers compared to Stalingrad. Irregardless if the wehrmacht had succeeded in Stalingrad (assuming the war would continue), the Germans would still have their largest contingencies far away from home, still demanding vast resources to uphold.

I could give a vote for Stalingrad, simply because it marked the turning point of the war, though I do not believe it to have been a prerequisite for D-day to be launched. The pressure posed to the German by losing any of these campaigns would be (as they proved) fatal threats to Germany, and the tremendous air-barrages over Germany suggests that the allies could have overwhelmed the wehrmacht sufficiently to make a foothold.

We should keep in mind that the Italian campaign forced the Germans to re-route much of its capacity from either front. Even if they had been victorius at Stalingrad, they would have been hard pressed, and not likely to be in a much better shape than they were in the advent of D-day.

My vote goes for D-day, because the Germans were well-prepeared for an invasion there. Stalingrad marked the inevitable halt of Nazi expansion, but they [the Germans (edit)] didn't risk loosing their main industrial centers, unlike having the allies in France.
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