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Bogdan Stefanovic September 12th, 2010 12:43 PM

D-Day or Stalingrad???
 
Me and my friend got into a fight recently over what was more important for the course of WW2... So what better place to ask than here... D-Day or Stalingrad???

vid September 12th, 2010 01:28 PM

Re: D-Day or Stalingrad???
 
Stalingrad, no question about it. Even before D-Day, German army was losing everywhere, and there was nothing to do about it. USSR had more resources, people, and outproduced Germany. Stalingrad was major turnover, while D-Day changed very little.

As for Allied part in bringing down 3rd Reich, I'd say naval blockade and African front were more important than western European front opened by D-Day. Africa for example was critical front that directly and hugely influenced military outcome of war. D-Day's real major result was political, not military: it allowed western powers gain more political influence in liberated Europe, and left Soviets with less.

Of course, this is only view of "high politics", where human lives are numbers in statistics. Political or military decisiveness of battle says nothing about bravery and sacrifice of soldier fighting it.

sylla1 September 12th, 2010 01:51 PM

Re: D-Day or Stalingrad???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by vid (Post 341907)
Stalingrad, no question about it. Even before D-Day, German army was losing everywhere, and there was nothing to do about it. USSR had more resources, people, and outproduced Germany.

Naturally, must entirely agree.

D-Day just speed up the collapse of the III Reich (certainly not a lesser deed by any measure); but the German collapse was already inevitable.

A case can be made on which battle of the Eastern Front was more relevant (e.g. Moscow, Kursk or even Bagration) as it has been actually done in other threads of Historum; however, my own first candidate is still Stalingrad.

DreamWeaver September 12th, 2010 02:28 PM

Re: D-Day or Stalingrad???
 
Of a cjoice between the two......Stalingrad

Saturn September 12th, 2010 02:35 PM

Re: D-Day or Stalingrad???
 
D-Day for sure.

tjadams September 12th, 2010 05:00 PM

Re: D-Day or Stalingrad???
 
D-Day

NewModelSoldier September 12th, 2010 08:52 PM

Re: D-Day or Stalingrad???
 
Stalingrad.

Eumenes September 12th, 2010 08:56 PM

Re: D-Day or Stalingrad???
 
I could see an argument for D-Day because of the post-war effects it had. If the Allies hadn't pulled off a successful cross-channel invasion, there's no telling how far west the Soviets might have advanced. The NATO-Warsaw Pact borders might have looked a whole lot different.

In terms of value in defeating the 3rd Reich, Stalingrad was no doubt the more important victory.

Edward September 12th, 2010 09:42 PM

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Stalingrad, by all means.

icedrake523 September 12th, 2010 10:25 PM

Re: D-Day or Stalingrad???
 
For the course of the war, Stalingrad. For the course of the Europe's future, D-Day.


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