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Old September 12th, 2010, 11:43 AM   #1

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D-Day or Stalingrad???


Me and my friend got into a fight recently over what was more important for the course of WW2... So what better place to ask than here... D-Day or Stalingrad???
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Old September 12th, 2010, 12:28 PM   #2
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Stalingrad, no question about it. Even before D-Day, German army was losing everywhere, and there was nothing to do about it. USSR had more resources, people, and outproduced Germany. Stalingrad was major turnover, while D-Day changed very little.

As for Allied part in bringing down 3rd Reich, I'd say naval blockade and African front were more important than western European front opened by D-Day. Africa for example was critical front that directly and hugely influenced military outcome of war. D-Day's real major result was political, not military: it allowed western powers gain more political influence in liberated Europe, and left Soviets with less.

Of course, this is only view of "high politics", where human lives are numbers in statistics. Political or military decisiveness of battle says nothing about bravery and sacrifice of soldier fighting it.
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Stalingrad, no question about it. Even before D-Day, German army was losing everywhere, and there was nothing to do about it. USSR had more resources, people, and outproduced Germany.
Naturally, must entirely agree.

D-Day just speed up the collapse of the III Reich (certainly not a lesser deed by any measure); but the German collapse was already inevitable.

A case can be made on which battle of the Eastern Front was more relevant (e.g. Moscow, Kursk or even Bagration) as it has been actually done in other threads of Historum; however, my own first candidate is still Stalingrad.
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Re: D-Day or Stalingrad???


Of a cjoice between the two......Stalingrad
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Old September 12th, 2010, 01:35 PM   #5
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D-Day for sure.
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Old September 12th, 2010, 04:00 PM   #6

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D-Day
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Re: D-Day or Stalingrad???


Stalingrad.
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Old September 12th, 2010, 07:56 PM   #8
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I could see an argument for D-Day because of the post-war effects it had. If the Allies hadn't pulled off a successful cross-channel invasion, there's no telling how far west the Soviets might have advanced. The NATO-Warsaw Pact borders might have looked a whole lot different.

In terms of value in defeating the 3rd Reich, Stalingrad was no doubt the more important victory.
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Stalingrad, by all means.
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Old September 12th, 2010, 09:25 PM   #10

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For the course of the war, Stalingrad. For the course of the Europe's future, D-Day.
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