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Old February 10th, 2011, 10:04 AM   #1

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Attitude toward slavic people


Why during the modern history, there was so much racism and discrimination in many ideologies against slavic people?
National Socialism regarded them as subhumans as a lower race, Engels one of the father of communist theory actually perceived most Slavic nations as being backward and uncivilized.
Most notable for anti-slavism was Italian Fascist ideology. So many ideologies and individuals in the 19th century and the begging of 20th century expressed anti-slavic opinion, why were slavic people discriminated so much?
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Old February 10th, 2011, 10:19 AM   #2

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Its plainly obvious. Those that attack people for their racial origins or background feel that they are under threat from those same people.
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Old February 10th, 2011, 11:02 AM   #3

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Lot of Slavic communities were dominated by other people. In Central Europe and Balkans. Those just needed to find excuses for domination.

And then, societies in the past were more predatory, if you were weak, you were treated accordingly. You had to fight back to get some respect.
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Old February 10th, 2011, 11:44 AM   #4

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The reason why fascism hated slavic people has to be researched in italian claims on Dalmatia, whose population was mainly slavic (except for some cities like Zara),hence the necessity to send away(fascism hasn't this idea of "vernichtung", of genocide as nazi ,though Fascism was responsible for a lot of crimes , often remained unpunished) all slavic in order to have a Dalmatia free by other people who were not italians.
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Old February 10th, 2011, 12:55 PM   #5

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The Slavic people in their various incarnations had long been in conflict with the various groups to the west of them. The Poles and Lithuanians fighting the Teutonic order, Austro-Hungarian empire subjugating various Slavic groups, Italians conflict with various groups along the Adriatic coast and Finns/Swedes conflicts with the Russians.
Like with the Jews, Fascism built upon long standing hatreds in an attempt to harness power
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The Slavic people in their various incarnations had long been in conflict with the various groups to the west of them. The Poles and Lithuanians fighting the Teutonic order, Austro-Hungarian empire subjugating various Slavic groups, Italians conflict with various groups along the Adriatic coast and Finns/Swedes conflicts with the Russians.
Like with the Jews, Fascism built upon long standing hatreds in an attempt to harness power
Slavic people actually were never fully united, and fought between each other a lot too. Also they faced serious dangers from east too.
Also some slavic people are catholics other orthodox, some use cyrilic other latin alphabet.
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Slavic people actually were never fully united, and fought between each other a lot too. Also they faced serious dangers from east too.
Also some slavic people are catholics other orthodox, some use cyrilic other latin alphabet.
And the south as your own nation can attest to. Which also leads to another point, many of the various Slavic peoples ended up being conquered or vassalized by another power at one time or another. This would of led to developmental delays as they struggled to throw off whoever was over them.
Prejudice being what it is, many would of seen this as a sign that the reason for this was they were inferior instead of the real causes. (similar to the opinion of the Irish amongst some groups in the US during the peak of Irish immigration or African-Americans in US before and after ACW)
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And the south as your own nation can attest to. Which also leads to another point, many of the various Slavic peoples ended up being conquered or vassalized by another power at one time or another. This would of led to developmental delays as they struggled to throw off whoever was over them.
Prejudice being what it is, many would of seen this as a sign that the reason for this was they were inferior instead of the real causes. (similar to the opinion of the Irish amongst some groups in the US during the peak of Irish immigration or African-Americans in US before and after ACW)
Yes but Bulgaria and first bulgarians were not exactly of slavic origin, there are theories that they were of turkic origin, and some claim they were of iranian origin. When they created the country of Bulgaria they practically made a treaty with a few slavic tribes that agreed to be ruled by one ruler (Khan), and to be part of a country called Bulgaria.
And then the policy of that newly formed Bulgaria was aways to try and add more slavic tribes to its possetion.
Of course of so many years of coexistance bulgarians were greatly influenced by slavic culture, but still there are non-slavic traditions preserved.

Slavic tribes lived in a (as the byzantine scholers said) democracy:

For these nations, the Sclaveni and the Antae, are not ruled by one man, but they have lived from of old under a democracy, and consequently everything which involves their welfare, whether for good or for ill, is referred to the people. It is also true that in all other matters, practically speaking, these two barbarian peoples have had from ancient times the same institutions and customs. For they believe that one god, the maker of lightning, is alone lord of all things, and they sacrifice to him cattle and all other victims.

This in my opinion is one of the reasons why slavic people were never joined up in one country, and why they often were vassals or population part of another country. They felt more dedicated to there tribe, then a whole country (as we understand it today).
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That is oversimplification and may be bit of Slavic mythology. Slavs been child like people never hurting anybody, living peacefully in democracy.

Truth is Slavs formed some strong political unions, Bulgaria is one example. There were times when Bulgarian khans tried for Byzantine throne.

Other examples are Serbs, Polish had their own very strong kingdom, Great Moravia and of course Kievan Russ.

It been more a plain bad geographical luck, Slavs living on the crossroads between East and West which at the end have put them in to position of mostly conquered people.

Then again, Russia became one of the strongest powers in Europe and World eventually and encompassed half or more of all Slavs.
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Old February 10th, 2011, 11:00 PM   #10

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As for disunity between Slavs, its true that there are bad historical relations between many of them. Look Serbs and Croats or Polish and Ukrainians.

But on the other hand there is feeling of Slavic brotherhood, often expressed as panslavism or slavofilia. Its not uncommon for one Slavic people to call other brothers despite historical grudges. Slavs still feel ties of common origin, of proximity of their cultures and languages. Even common fate. Slavs generally believe there exist wider Slavic world around them of which they are part.

This is something you will not find among Germanic people for example. They feel wery little affinity between each other.

So matter is complex and can not be simplified in to some simple statements I think.
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