Nick

My mistake

Black Dog

No event in Cromwell's life made him do it. Circumstances did: Charles' intractable and stupid nature and the inevitable reactionary stance of non- Parliamentarians and monarchists.

As I wrote in an essay: "in the end there was nothing Cromwell could do but kill the king". That's about the truth of it: Charles was never going to co-operate. Alive he was dangerous; dead, less so.

Cromwell- and Puritans- are much maligned. And the latter's influence over estimated. Puritanism was most popular and powerful in England's South East, and besides, their creed was not all doom, gloom and misery: we have many things to thank them for, although few want to hear it

johnincornwall

Agreed. He seems a thoroughly unpleasant man all round. England, Ireland or Scotland. Good soldier though, wonder if someone will compare him with Suvarov and draw some staggering conclusion?

Sargon of Akkad

IIRC, he didn't actually ban Christmas.

Nick

That's a pity. With the number of idiots posting Christmas topics in February i'm starting to wish he had

neon

Oliver Cromwell was bread from Eire netherlands ! He comes from a Scelt clan name (Well) whitch came from the latin name (Wel)
Under the Queens desison and holy roman catholic genisis Scelts are Celts not true under eireaan law whitch is conserved by the terms of inquistion of a republic there is a clear difference between Scelts and Celts.
Almost all Scelts got there names in latin and celts in arabic celts whos gean pool survived by saxon adopted saxon charteristics and so the aribics and latins reconised Scelts as a different race.
Cromwell comes from the name of two kings one a Crom a brown saxon also another different race from the Red saxon under eireaan law but not under queens disison. the wells were bread all over eire and survived by celts until 1300 when roman and viking race joined forces to rape under holy war and impearilism once more a Scelt named well sought help fight the rapist armys a deamon was born Cromwell an anglo saxonised celt comming from a scelt and a saxon but under holy roman catholic gensis a victoryian
The war went on cromwell sought to regain public ways of life in britan but lost to scotland cornwall but won in the last remaining eireaan state ireland

To this day there is war geneva war crimes broken in ireland still child abusers sent in by the roman catholics and impearlists sent into eire to corrupt the republic into poverty and thier believes like Rome was the first republic!

Lawnmowerman

AAAHHHH the forum has found its new loony!!!!!!!!


Tell me again how he got an arabic name 1000 years before the arabic language was invented??????

Black Dog

Cromwell was not a bad man. He did what had to be done. He didn't like doing it, that much was plain. If he was guilty of anything much, it was that he rarely entertained doubt. It is much to his credit, for starters, that he did not do what so many would have done: set himself up at a new monarch.

Why people are so fond of the 2 Charles I just don't know. Charles I was a stubborn and arrogant fool who tried to impose absolute monarchy onto the English. He consistently flouted and dismissed parliaments he didn't agree with, raised onerous taxes to bankroll his spending habits, and made a mockery of the English church by attempting to roll back to the belief that kings are divinely appointed. This latter was not necessarily a Catholic belief, contrary to popular opinion: Charles and Archbishop Laud were "merely" returning Church creed (and hence, law) back to the reign of Edward VI.

Without Cromwell, ironically, the monarchy would never have survived. Future monarchs had to be much more circumspect about their claims and behaviour. This ensured their survival, unlike the less than circumspect and absolute monarchies of, for example, France and Russia. We know what happened to them: yet few have it in for the French mobs who killed Louis XVI like they do Cromwell. Damned royalists!

The New Model Army was also the embryonic basis of British Imperial might. It was well led, strict, and medieval and early modern behaviour by soldiers like rape were severely punished. The austerity and desire for a "New Society" ushered in by the Puritans, the rejection of priestly power, and Puritan attitudes to marriage (they were the first to condemn marriage for money or position, in favour of the "companionate marriage"), not to mention many other principles which formed Modern Britain means that we have a lot to thank the Puritans for. And yet, all most really know about Cromwell and the Puritans is that they were miserable, they killed a king (but it's not like it was a habit), and they banned Christmas. (I'm with Nick on that subject). And somehow, everything was back to normal with the restoration. It wasn't, thankfully.

Black Dog

- Lawnmowerman.

Damn. So now I'm the old loony?

General Michael Collins

I can't believe I missed it, actually. What do I think of Cromwell? I think no punishment is too cruel for that genocidal son of b****, Who murdered, plundered and cut through Ireland in what he claimed to be a holy crusade against those inferior Catholics living here. Their very presence disgusted him. I don't care what his politics were, he is to be held responsible for his actions, and his actions are unpardonable. If you want to be lynched, simply go into a Gaeltacht and say "Cromwell". That'll do it.

Rage is not the word.