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Old March 4th, 2011, 01:57 AM   #1

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The Austrian exclusion of German Federation


Considering that Austria was the first confederation to join Prussia in the unification of Germany, it's ironic that they were excluded in 1867. What were the reasons for the war between the two states, and the consequences of this exclusion?
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I believe it was a clash over who would be the leader of and where the capital of Germany would be. Considering the Austrians had been the leaders of what was Germania, they didn't think that such a powerful nation as themselves should be subservient to the upstart and arrogant Prussians.
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Considering that Austria was the first confederation to join Prussia in the unification of Germany, it's ironic that they were excluded in 1867. What were the reasons for the war between the two states, and the consequences of this exclusion?
Not at all, Prussia and Austria, or rather - Hohenzollern and Habsburg - had always been 'mortal' enemies if it came to the matter of uniting Germany. They had continuously thwarted each other - though on a superficial level, such as the war with Denmark over Sleswig-Holstein, they seemingly acted in concord, yet all these were disguised attempts to derail the efforts of Habsburg - and finally in 1866 the Prussians managed to kick the Austrians out. The reason is rather simple, to quote highlander, which I really love quoting: there can be only one!
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Interesting answers, guys. Thanks.

So it was basically a matter of family members working together when it was convenient, but returning to rivalries later on. Yet, imagine the power they might have had if they had stayed together.
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Interesting answers, guys. Thanks.

So it was basically a matter of family members working together when it was convenient, but returning to rivalries later on. Yet, imagine the power they might have had if they had stayed together.
Is that not completely against what Europe has been for most of it's history. Europeans are always fighting, the blamed continent can't go for 40 years without some form of war or crisis! Europeans have been for much of their history, arrogant, demanding, and controlling.
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to quote highlander, which I really love quoting: there can be only one!
My favourite bit:

Sean Connery (a Scotsman playing a Spaniard with a Scottish accent): Haggis? What is haggis?
Christophe Lambert (a Frenchman playing a Scotsman with some kind of Indian accent, I think): Sheep's stomach stuffed with meat and barley...
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arrogant, demanding, and controlling.
You say the nicest things
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The short and (I believe) definitive answer: Bismarck.

In a sense, Bismarck was the "Napoleon" of the era in that he was not just the most able statesman by far in Europe but also a conquering one. His main goal (which he achieved) was to unite the German lands under Prussia. Even if his king wasn't interested. Bismarck had to drag his king into the conflicts which he manipulated. He had to bribe the king of Bavaria with money stolen from Havover to write William I a letter in January, 1871 - during the war with France - asking William to accept the crown as emperor of the Germans. Until that happened, William wasn't interested in being an emperor.

Bismarck also had to secure funding for the military on his own because the legislature refused to vote for the funding.

Bismarck was the root and cause of the war with Austria. He had stated on several prior occasions his goal was to drive Austria out of the German lands. For this he required a well-funded military and circumstances in which he could force the issue.
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Srry Double Post Could a mod delete this?
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Interesting answers, guys. Thanks.

So it was basically a matter of family members working together when it was convenient, but returning to rivalries later on.
Isn't this for the majority of history the way countries/organisations/human beings have worked? If you look at history you'll notice this way of going over things isn't exactly unique to Prussia and Austria.

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Yet, imagine the power they might have had if they had stayed together.
It's only contradictory to all common sense

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The short and (I believe) definitive answer: Bismarck.
I guess you are right but only as far as the last phase goes. This conflict stretches way back to the early decades of the Early Modern Age.
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