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Old April 8th, 2011, 05:14 AM   #411

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Old April 8th, 2011, 05:34 AM   #412

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This post angered me in an unusual way. I'm not sure whether it's because it was made by somebody from Belgium or because he bows to the U.S.
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I think the poster is merely being realistic. The UK "bows to the US", too. We copy, perhaps badly, everything from the USA, whether it works or not: our education system, our wars, our social trends (feminism, gay rights, political correctness, compensation culture and the unholy grail of pseudo Free marketism), even our language. Watch the BBC or other news for misspellings and Americanisms.

It's reasonable to assume Belgium does the same. The British tend to like to think that we're Greece to America's Rome, but we're not. We're an unimportant outpost up by Hadrian's wall. In winter!

The sooner Europe realises this, the better. American politics etc. are for America- they may even work there
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Old April 8th, 2011, 05:51 AM   #413

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I don't care greatly what foreigners think of us.

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Old April 8th, 2011, 09:31 AM   #414

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I'm used to people insulting my country

Not everybody in life is going to like you. Yet the UK is one of the biggest contributors to the EU so for somebody from Belgium to call us irrelevant is slightly insulting.
It's not our money that irrelevant to Brussels just the views of the British people.
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Old April 8th, 2011, 11:58 AM   #415

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I'm constantly kept awake at night worrying about the Belgians think of us.
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Old April 8th, 2011, 02:49 PM   #416

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Just wait until we Americans build a "Trafalgar Monument" in Washington, with a statue commemorating how George Washington, General Patton, and Davy Crockett beat off the enemy with the USS Constitution during the "59'-40' or fight" war. With the requisite t-shirts, fast food chain promotions (plastic cups and decorated french fry packages) and popular music videos to go with it.

And no doubt, young British kids will adopt the videos, fast food packages, and t-shirts in a national fad among Britains in celebration of American history.

And no doubt we would see some celebrities don some fashionable tattoos in honor of the great victory.

Anything American sells in Britain, dont you know..
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You may be right there Richard, but I doubt if many British children or youths would know about any of the aforementioned. More interested in the latest youth culture.
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Old April 8th, 2011, 03:40 PM   #418

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Black and Tans?. When you consider that the Black and Tans were contemporaneous with the Armenian Genocide it kinda puts them in perspective.

Really? I didn't know that. Would you mind explaining,citing some evidence?

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Just wait until we Americans build a "Trafalgar Monument" in Washington, with a statue commemorating how George Washington, General Patton, and Davy Crockett beat off the enemy with the USS Constitution during the "59'-40' or fight" war. With the requisite t-shirts, fast food chain promotions (plastic cups and decorated french fry packages) and popular music videos to go with it.

And no doubt, young British kids will adopt the videos, fast food packages, and t-shirts in a national fad among Britains in celebration of American history.

And no doubt we would see some celebrities don some fashionable tattoos in honor of the great victory.

Anything American sells in Britain, dont you know..
Only if it appeals to the British people, it will. Something that paints one of their own in a good light.

Like if they had Montgomery in front of Patton, foot on a rock while pointing with determination at the destination (Berlin) with binoculars in his stony right hand (and the British flag was flying just a wee bit higher than ours), then that might make them excited. Otherwise, it's just another Yankee monument.
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Montgomery could never be in front of Patton, Hollywood would never allow that. Patton was flashy, gung-ho in a crazy way..the kind of character that John Wayne could play naturally. And American or British (young folks) could identify with.

Montgomery was more like a..um..banker? He was very skilled, made excellent logistical plans (most of the time)...and was a cautious man in planning things. And when all was ready, he made a calculated gamble and sent forward his legions. Overall, he was an excellent commander. But he just wasnt flashy enough for Hollywood.

And, I have my own speculations that the whole "Market Garden" adventure was an episode that showed that the fame and pizazz of Patton was really getting to Monty, and he decided to "Out Patton-Patton" with a risky gamble that could have achieved a war-winning blow had it worked.

But I think that is just what it was. Monty did the Market Garden thing because he was sorely afflicted by Patton stealing all the headlines and making him look like a..well..banker?

Now, if we were to look for a flashy military character, then who else but Nelson? He did after all, single handedly (litterally) drive back the huns at Agincourt Bay!

Clint Eastwood could have made a good Nelson when he was young, that is. Or better yet, Jack Nicholson.

Heers Horatio!

But seriously though..we have made such of botch of portraying British history (Hollywood style) that it is a wonder that the Brits are still speaking to us.

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