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Old March 10th, 2011, 08:44 AM   #1
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Smile China has much more history resource books than all of the west


china has much more history resource books than all of the west
since Europe demised of the Roman, the cultural level is very low, because of the era of barbarians.until recent 500 years, it was not developed.but China has been leading the world in 2000. China's history, has a complete written records, history books as many as 300, and History of Europe lack of complete historical records, could only be imagined, (Europe +Islamic world)<China's historical records . European civilization, is apocryphal.

if you dont agree that, can you tell me more than 50 European medieval history books ?


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Old March 10th, 2011, 09:04 AM   #2

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Well i can't support you in this statement. There are dozens if not several hundreds of Medieval books which try to portray a world history, or a history of a particular kingdom. An important characteristic of European historiography is that is supported by extensive sources, probably because the very intense research that historians have been doing for the last centuries. A job that other regions of the world, because economical problems, only have begun recently.

One of the main problems of Chinese history is that for several times in its history, the centralized power have ordered to destroy massivelly books and texts of history and culture, in a scale that outside China any other event of these characteristics palished in comparation.

However, the bulk of history is usually get by very common sources as military, economic or property registers. I don't know the situation right now in China, but in comparation to the West these sources are highly underexploited. I've read from some Chinese guys that they have massive accounts of these characteristics, that historians have worked it only lightly.

I'm sure that in the future this would bring very useful information about Chinese history. And surelly the amount of this information avalaible for China in the period between Tang and Yuan is far greater than that of Europe for the Middle Ages, at least until 1300.
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If you mean sequential descriptions (of wars fought, rulers' lives, the founding of cities, lists of bulls, statues, and legal documents) that were written by a contemporary of the time he was writing about, then Europe has many hundreds or even thousands of such chronicles. In some cases, each city has a complete MSS collection, usually on parchment roll located in the state archive. Correspondence is another valuable source of evidence that clarifies historical context.
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Looks like more than 50 to me. Well done German efficiencey
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Old March 10th, 2011, 09:24 AM   #5

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Agree Star of Genoa, in a quick research i've found at least 40 major Chronicles of Castile or Aragon. This not count less quality ones or regional chronicles. For example only for the Canary islands where i live, there are 10-12 regional chronicles dated in the Late Middle Ages.

This means that we are talking about thousands of chronicles of some importance for the entire continent.
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Old March 10th, 2011, 09:41 AM   #6
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China's history books are much better organized due to the nature of how their history evolved... that and since the language evolved on a very consistent line it helps too, you don't need to learn about 50 different (and more than half of them extinct) languages to see through all the records. you just need one.

They have advantages in that , their sources are much much easier to access nowadays . though there are disadvantages as well, less pictural depiction for one thing, and the centralized nature have it's problems in that some things (hint.. military manuels) are considered (logically) as classifed and controlled material thus they rarely survive.
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Just because Rome ended, does not mean we all forgot how to write. The Irish, for one group alone, had their Golden Age, during the Dark Ages. And there are hundreds of Histories in Ireland alone from the Medieval period. The Annals of the Four Masters is the most famous one. Here's a link -

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Old March 10th, 2011, 10:45 AM   #8
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One of the main problems of Chinese history is that for several times in its history, the centralized power have ordered to destroy massivelly books and texts of history and culture, in a scale that outside China any other event of these characteristics palished in comparation.
Not necessarily. The only known large scale book burning was during the reign of Qin Shi Huang. Most other Emperors embraced learning and encouraged the writing of boos, save those that criticize their reign. However even criticisms like Sima Qiang's chronicles about the reign of Wudi was not suppressed by the Emperor. Each dynasty usually employs writers to document complete histories of previous dynasties (Twenty-Four Histories). Even the Yuan Dynasty commissioned the Book of Song. There are hundreds of other histories about dynasties and emperors. The Qing Dynasty suppressed books that would damage its reign for mostly left scholars alone. In fact the Yongzhen and Qianlong Emperor built massive library collections of histories for scholars to access.
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All hail China. Bow down before her Imperial might and the quality of her history books. So much more cultured than us uncouth barbarians.

Even if she is a black hole.
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I think he wants to start a measuring contest now what is it they say about the Chinese and the size of a certain organ????
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