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Old November 20th, 2012, 08:42 PM   #91

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Don't bother arguing. He's already decided Napoleon was the 19th Century version of Hitler and won't accept any argument that would argue against his viewpoint in terms of either intent or results.
Lol, many of us have already learned this the hard way. Sylla is quite knowledgable and fair on most subjects.

Definitely not on Napoleon, though. I've concluded he's simply jealous of Napoleon's greatness
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Lol, many of us have already learned this the hard way. Sylla is quite knowledgable and fair on most subjects.

Definitely not on Napoleon, though. I've concluded he's simply jealous of Napoleon's greatness
Au contraire; as duly explained above, I'm actually objectively the most respectful of Monsieur Buonaparte's fans.

After all, that's exactly why I gave you your nice Super-Nap avatar, remember?
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Hmm, good point...I do like my Super-Nap!
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Old November 20th, 2012, 11:15 PM   #94
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I don't know if it was specifically the fault of the British - but it was definitely the fault of the monarchs of Europe.

What was even the point of the Napoleonic wars if most countries today are republics? The French were eventually defeated but their ideas were never killed. Many of the ideas that the British and the others fought against have become the values they fight for in the 20th and 21st centuries. The British themselves have pushed the monarchy to a point where it is more or less a figure of tradition. I just don't see what the purpose of these huge wars were, other than to stop the spread of ideas that overwhelmed the monarchical countries during the century after their 'victory'? Maybe if the French had won, Europe would just be more powerful today and have avoided WWI and II.

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Old November 21st, 2012, 12:34 AM   #95

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Wars existed in Europe before Napoleon and continued after him....So its never up to him, its the natural struggle of power and dominion among all nations....

Our colleague Sylla1 has been critical to Napoleon based on that, but at the end: Isn't every powerhouse in Europe the same ?!.....Will that lead him to condemn the British/Germans/Austrains/Russians ?!....If that is true then all nations in world history can be critisized !

The amount and impact of reforms brought by Napoleon indicate that is not totally about battles and conquest....
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Wars existed in Europe before Napoleon and continued after him....So its never up to him, its the natural struggle of power and dominion among all nations....

Our colleague Sylla1 has been critical to Napoleon based on that, but at the end: Isn't every powerhouse in Europe the same ?!.....Will that lead him to condemn the British/Germans/Austrains/Russians ?!....If that is true then all nations in world history can be critisized !

The amount and impact of reforms brought by Napoleon indicate that is not totally about battles and conquest....
its as simple as that, a power struggle for supremacy as all major powers had their positions at stake. its dressed up as a nationalist struggle to fight against tyranny yet that's highly hypocritical considering all of europe was being ruled by what were effectively tyrants. so one expansionist imperialist power accusing another one of being expansionism and imperialism is awfully ambiguous.
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Im wondering whether I should take part in thi thread..What do you think, Irish?
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Why not?
Now that the Buonaparte Fan Club is having this meeting out of the social group, it's a good chance to compare notes on what trait of him would each one of us like the most for when one grows up.

My personal choice for this month would be his absolute despise for any human life aside of his own.
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Old November 21st, 2012, 02:03 PM   #99

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I don't know if it was specifically the fault of the British - but it was definitely the fault of the monarchs of Europe.

What was even the point of the Napoleonic wars if most countries today are republics? The French were eventually defeated but their ideas were never killed. Many of the ideas that the British and the others fought against have become the values they fight for in the 20th and 21st centuries. The British themselves have pushed the monarchy to a point where it is more or less a figure of tradition. I just don't see what the purpose of these huge wars were, other than to stop the spread of ideas that overwhelmed the monarchical countries during the century after their 'victory'? Maybe if the French had won, Europe would just be more powerful today and have avoided WWI and II.

I my dear sir must protest.

I believe a year or two ago on this very site I made a very long winded lol, speech explaining how Napoleon was in fact the root cause of both the "Great War" and the Second World War. Indeed all the world defining events between the time of the Emperor's fall to this very day are indeed etched by his hand.
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Im wondering whether I should take part in thi thread..What do you think, Irish?
all i would say is prepare for some heavy bias, nationalism and Sylla
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