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Old November 8th, 2012, 02:37 AM   #111
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Whether the oppression by today's words are real or fake doesn't matter. It wasn't such a bad thing, an oppression back in the day. It was the normal and perfectly fine thing to do. This is what I'm trying to explain.
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Old November 8th, 2012, 03:33 AM   #112

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oppression or not, there erupted problems from the ex-territories of the ottoman empire. cyprus is only one of them, alongside the middle east, north africa, sudan and balkans.

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Whether the oppression by today's words are real or fake doesn't matter. It wasn't such a bad thing, an oppression back in the day. It was the normal and perfectly fine thing to do. This is what I'm trying to explain.
That is matter of point of view. Oppression is of course not bad think if you are oppressor. Same in present as it was in past. With few notable exceptions of course. So yes, if you are building empire like British did, it is normal and perfectly fine thing to do.

For oppressed of course, that is entirely different matter.

But that is not what Belisarius said. What he said is that there mostly was no oppression to begin with.
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That is matter of point of view. Oppression is of course not bad think if you are oppressor. Same in present as it was in past. With few notable exceptions of course. So yes, if you are building empire like British did, it is normal and perfectly fine thing to do.

For oppressed of course, that is entirely different matter.

But that is not what Belisarius said. What he said is that there mostly was no oppression to begin with.
In a sense there is not. Because it's a recent term. Nobody was feeling bad when killing non-Christians during Crusades. That was the most normal thing to do for a Christian king at the times, to invade and destroy heathens and infidels.
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Of course some people didn't realise that they were being oppressed and really needed political activists to go out and tell them. Then later, when those political activists became leaders themselves they really showed folks what oppression was.
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In a sense there is not. Because it's a recent term. Nobody was feeling bad when killing non-Christians during Crusades. That was the most normal thing to do for a Christian king at the times, to invade and destroy heathens and infidels.
Unfortunately one has to view things with some balance. When the Crusades begun it was after 400 years of muslim invasions, in Spain, Italy, the mediterranean islands and Byzantine lands. The First Crusade of European knights was in response to a call for help from The Byzantine Emperor Alexios whose lands and the pilgrim routes were being constantly assaulted by the Seljuk Turks. The first "Crusaders" who arrived were not soldiers, but unarmed pious peasants, some 20,000 who believed that they woud rescue Jerusalem by faith alone and guarantee their place in heaven--all but a few were wiped out .
So the scene was set.
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Unfortunately one has to view things with some balance. When the Crusades begun it was after 400 years of muslim invasions, in Spain, Italy, the mediterranean islands and Byzantine lands. The First Crusade of European knights was in response to a call for help from The Byzantine Emperor Alexios whose lands and the pilgrim routes were being constantly assaulted by the Seljuk Turks. The first "Crusaders" who arrived were not soldiers, but unarmed pious peasants, some 20,000 who believed that they woud rescue Jerusalem by faith alone and guarantee their place in heaven--all but a few were wiped out .
So the scene was set.
It's irrevelant. You can change the example with any kind of conquest. Romans, Charlamagne, Christians, Ottomans etc. Doesn't matter, same thing.
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The reason is Greece Cyrus don't want to live with Turks together.
Wrong statement! You are wrong!!!!!We lived peacefully with the Turkish people before the invasion and after!!!!!!! My grandparents lived with the Turkish people on the Northern side for 10 years after the invasion till the United Nations forced my grandparents to move out from the village.
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The British came in to keep things under control between the Greek Cypriots and the Turkish Cypriots.
There is a very ugly 'Berlin-type' wall seperating them.
The Turks have more ground though IIRC.
Cyprus was a colony of England..They came in to colonize Cyprus not to keep peace in Cyprus. After the liberation in the 50s from mother England, the British kept bases in Cyprus. The British were to pay rent for these Bases, which they have not.


"The Cyprus Convention of 1878 between Britain and Turkey provided that Cyprus, while remaining under Turkish sovereignty, should be administered by the British government. Britain’s aim in occupying Cyprus was to secure a base in the eastern Mediterranean for possible operations in the Caucasus or Mesopotamia as part of the British guarantee to secure the sultan’s Asian possessions from Russia. In 1914, when Britain and Turkey became adversaries during World War I, the former annexed the island; Turkey recognized this under the Treaty of Lausanne in 1923. Two years later Cyprus was officially declared a crown colony.

In 1960 treaties that made Cyprus an independent republic, with Britain retaining sovereignty over military bases at Akrotiri and Dhekélia, were ratified in Nicosia. According to the terms of the treaties, the new republic would not participate in a political or economic union with any other state, nor would it be subject to partition. Greece, Turkey, and Britain guaranteed the independence, integrity, and security of the republic, and Greece and Turkey agreed to respect the integrity of the areas remaining under British sovereignty
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Thats an interesting question . about an interesting island .

In the mid fifties there was a movement by the Greeks to unite with mainland Greece. The movement , led by George Grivas ,was called EOKA . There was a small but pretty violent confrontation with British forces that ended in 1959 .Archbishop Markarios was the President of the Cyprus . There was a Turkish minority centered in Kyrenia .
The movement in the 50swas for the freedom of Cyprus from British rule, not for the unity with Greece. The movement for the unity of Cyprus and Greece happened in 1974.
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