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Old May 27th, 2007, 12:17 PM   #1

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Was Columbus Italian or Spanish?


Was Columbus Italian or Spanish?

Was Napoleon Italian or French?
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Old May 27th, 2007, 05:34 PM   #2

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Was Columbus Italian or Spanish?

Was Napoleon Italian or French?

If I remember correctly...wasn't Columbus Italian and Napoleon Corsican?
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Columbus was born in Genoa, which is in modern-day Italy. So, you can call him Italian if you want. I think he himself would have objected strongly to being lumped in with the Napolitanos, Venetians, Romans, etc. In any case, he was later an officer of the Spanish court. I don't think people back then cared about such things as much as some people did later.

Napoleone di Buonaparte was born in Ajaccio on Corsica, one year after it was transferred from Genoa to France. So he was born in France. But he was of Genoan ancestry, and, again Genoa is a city in what is today Italy, so, in a way, Napoleon was Italian.

But really, it was only around 1789 that people began thinking of themselves as enfants de la Patrie.

I suppose, in a way, Michelangelo, Julius Caesar, Napoleon, Columbus, were all Italian. And they didn't even know it.

I wonder if nationalism was a necessary evil - a sort of "practical" way for hereditary absolutism to evolve into liberal democracy. I suspect that, given what we know about human nature, it was.
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Old May 27th, 2007, 06:38 PM   #4

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I understand that today there is a division among northern Italians and southern italians, and even further.

Like separation between calabrians, sicilians, and neapolitans.

Anyone here italian? Can someone explain this phenomena
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Old May 28th, 2007, 01:06 PM   #5

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I've been to Italy several times and there is definitely a division of sorts. The South is [was last time I was there] less well off than the North, but there's a cultural difference as well. perhaps an Italian can explain it better than I can.
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Italian in a modern understanding, but Lucius puts it best when saying he would not want to be associated much with other "Italian" city-states at the time. They were rivals. In fact, people in certain parts of Italy today still poke fun and criticize people from other Italian cities or regions. I should know, I'm part Sicilian.

Hey, forget about it! Hah.
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To be exact he was from Genoa, tried for years to find a state that he would sponsor his plans to find an alternative root to India, he tried in Italy, Portugal even France but was rejected till he go to Spain and met Queen Isabella who finally gave him 3 ships.
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Personally, I think Columbus was Italian and Napoleon was French, on the basis of where they were born, in other words, by the right of Jus Soli.
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Old September 29th, 2008, 04:53 PM   #9

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Yea Columbus was Italian and Napoleon was Corsican and I remember watching a show on that said he used to be made fun for being Corsican.
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Columbus was Italian in the same sense as I am Eastern Hemispherian.
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