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View Poll Results: Which is corret english name of the Union of Poland and Lithuania?
Polish Republic 0 0%
Polish Commonwealth 1 2.44%
Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth 39 95.12%
Neither 1 2.44%
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Old June 20th, 2011, 12:41 AM   #1
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Poland Lithuanian Union


Hello everyone. I would like to know what would be the correct english name for the Poland and Lithuania union. Some people say its Polish Republic, others Polish Commonwealth or Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. I need your opinions. I stick with the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.

Also, I would like to know how much precentage of the population of the Union was in Poland and Lithuania territory in about the XVII century midle. I couldnt find this information anywhere ;(
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%...n_Commonwealth
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Old June 20th, 2011, 12:48 AM   #3
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And how about the population? I dont need to know how much people lived in the Commonwealth. I need to know how much people lived in Poland and the Grand Duchy of Lithuania at that time so i could get percentages.
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And how about the population? I dont need to know how much people lived in the Commonwealth. I need to know how much people lived in Poland and the Grand Duchy of Lithuania at that time so i could get percentages.
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Shortly after the Union of Lublin ( 1569 ), the Commonwealth population was around 7 million, with a rough breakdown of 4.5 m Poles, 0.75 m Lithuanians, 0.7 m/10% Jews and 2 m Ruthenians.[77] In 1618, after the Truce of Deulino, the Commonwealth population increased together with its territory, reaching 11.5 million people, which was composed roughly of 4.5 m Poles, 3.5 m Ukrainians, 1.5 m Belarusians, 0.75 m Lithuanians, 0.75 m Old Prussians, 0.5 m Jews, and 0.5 m Livonians. At that time nobility was 10% of the population, and burghers were 15%.[78] The average population density per square kilometer was: 24 in Mazovia, 23 in Little Poland, 19 in Great Poland, 12 in Lublin palatinate, 10 in the Lvov area, 7 in Podolia and Volhynia, 3 in the Ukraine. There was a tendency for the people from the more densely inhabited western territories to migrate eastwards.[79] In the period from 1648–57, populations losses are estimated at 4 m.[78] Coupled with further population and territorial losses, in 1717 the Commonwealth population had fallen to 9 m, with roughly 4.5 m/50% Poles, 1.5 m/17% Ukrainians, 1.2 m Belarusians, 0.8 m Lithuanians, 0.5 m Jews, and 0.5 m others.[78]
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Old June 20th, 2011, 01:07 AM   #5
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No, i dont need to know how much Poles and Lithuanians lived in the Commonwealth ;D I need to know how much people lived in Lithuania and Poland sepperatly.
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Old June 20th, 2011, 01:14 AM   #6
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This country included also Belorussia and partially territories of modern Russia, Ukraine, Latvia and Moldova. What to do with them?
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Old June 20th, 2011, 01:16 AM   #7
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I need to know how much people (From all nations, Poles, Lithuanians, Belarussians, jews or whatever) lived in Poland territory and then sepperatly how much people lived in the Grand Duchy of Lithuania territory.
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The timeframe is too broad. In XVII this union has lost a lot territories.
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Old June 20th, 2011, 03:38 AM   #9

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I would say that after the Union of Lublin it was the empire of like Austria-Hungary
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Old June 20th, 2011, 04:17 AM   #10
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The correct name of the state is Commonwealth of Poland and Lithuania or Republic of Poland and Lithuania (Polish word Rzeczpospolita is direct translation of latin word Respublica) however official name was Kingdom of Poland and Grand Duchy of Lithuania. By the people in those times it was somtimes also called Republic (or Commonwealth) of both Sarmatia's - according to ideology of Polish and Lithuanian nobles who belived that are coming from ancient Sarmatians. It was also called "serenissima respublica".

As for nations living in this state there was no census made and nationality didnt play important role. People were rather divided on classes. The highest position had nobles who were about 10% of people and enjoyed full political rights including the right to elect kings and be elected for position of king. However the last right appeared rather after the death of last king of Jagiellon dynasty Sigismundus Augustus. The first king who was chosen in free election was Henri D'Anjou, later king of France Henri III. The nobles were usually more willing to elect foreigners than one of themselves.
The other classes were burguise living in the cities, Jews who were a separate social class, paesants - the most opressed class, and Cossacks who were to some extent a separate social class.

Polish nobles used no titles except few who were coming from original Jagiellon dynasty or from Rurik dynasty. Some were using titles given by foreign monarchs like for example Radziwill familly used title of prince whoch recived from Holy Roman Emperor - however it was considered illegal. Polish law stated that Polish nobility is equal to all ranks of western nobility including prince/duke titles. However foreing nobles who wanted to settle in the Commonwealth had to have their nobility confirmed by parliament. One of the most interesting things is that Jews who converted into Catholicism were instantly raised to noble class.

The nobles in the Commonwealth, doesnt matter if the were of Polish, German, Lithuanian or Ruthenian origin, considered themselves as one group or rather one nation, usually used Polish and Latin language. The elites of Lithuania and Ruthenia were in fact polonised by this way so far, that their descendants today are Poles and dont consider themselves as people of Lithuanian, Rhutenian or German origin.

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