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July 28th, 2011, 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Pavel I know that in USSR University was shut to join in for some teenagers,who had inappropriate nations. | That rule was in power for Volga Germans only (Russlanddeutsche) for a short period after WW2. Guess why.
Actually that was a horrible period for soviet Germans. Everybody hated them.
My teacher (German) could enter University only after Stalin's death.
Mr. Rossel, the Governor of Yekaterinburg (3d biggest city of Russian Federation) confessed recently that he tried to kill himself several times just because he was a German.
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July 28th, 2011, 09:34 PM
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#12 | | Historian
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Originally Posted by azato2000 That rule was in power for Volga Germans only (Russlanddeutsche) for a short period after WW2. | It's very far from from being really happened. Neither it was a short period for Germans (Nobel Prize Andre Geim has a quite different opinion) nor for Germans only (dozen of minority suffered from Soviet (actually Russian) segregation like Jews etc).
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July 28th, 2011, 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Lors It's very far from from being really happened. Neither it was a short period for Germans (Nobel Prize Andre Geim has a quite different opinion) nor for Germans only (dozen of minority suffered from Soviet (actually Russian) segregation like Jews etc). | Oh give me a break! Losers who failed exams always said so. 
Jews could hold posts at all the levels of the USSR even in Politburo, the highest governing body of the USSR.
You laughable with your lousy propaganda.
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July 28th, 2011, 09:58 PM
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#14 | | Historian
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Originally Posted by azato2000 Oh give me a break! Losers who failed exams always said so. 
Jews could hold posts at all the levels of the USSR even in Politburo, the highest governing body of the USSR.
You laughable with your lousy propaganda. | Nobel Prize Andre Geim is a loser and there was no segregation in USSR... Ask someone what did mean the expression "fifth paragraph" in Soviet passport at least.
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July 28th, 2011, 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Lors Nobel Prize Andre Geim is a loser and there was no segregation in USSR... Ask someone what did mean the expression "fifth paragraph" in Soviet passport at least. | He is a German. Not a Jew. If you read carefully you'll find that I already wrote about problems Germans had.
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July 28th, 2011, 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Lors Ask someone what did mean the expression "fifth paragraph" in Soviet passport at least. | Unlike to you I had a soviet passport and I know what 5th paragraph means: Ethnicity. So what?
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July 28th, 2011, 10:10 PM
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#17 | | Historian
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Originally Posted by azato2000 He is a German. Not a Jew. | Did I write something else? Quote: |
Unlike to you I had a soviet passport and I know what 5th paragraph means: Ethnicity. So what?
| And ask someone this expression really meant in USSR.
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July 28th, 2011, 10:17 PM
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#18 | | Historian
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Well,I vistited Yugoslavia (Zagreb and Belgrade) in November 1990. It was horrible; you could cut the air with a knife and there was nothing to buy(and I had US dollars) The people seemed a bit tense to me. I knew nothing of the ethnic tensions of the country at that time.
I was told that Yugoslavia was probably the most progressive of the Eastern block countries. I remember thinking:" Good grief!What must the others be like?"
Also visited the Philippines in 1979. Marcos was still in power. All the Filipinos I knew were connected in some way to the regime. Had time of my life! Marcos being replaced by Cory Aquino meant business usual.
TANGENT :
My views later change, at home. I began hearing about Liberation theology and the murders on Negros where I had spent Xmas. I felt sick when I realised that the murderers were almost certainly people I knew.These were the members of the few heavily intermarried families who owned all of the sugar and most of the land.Many lived in large compounds,in the old Spanish hacienda manner.
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Last edited by bunyip; July 28th, 2011 at 10:23 PM.
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July 28th, 2011, 10:24 PM
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#19 | | Suspended until June 5th, 2013
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Originally Posted by Lors Did I write something else? | You alleged that Jews also had problems with entering universities. I denied your absurd statement. And then you give example with Andre Geim.
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Originally Posted by Lors And ask someone this expression really meant in USSR. | Why should I ask? I lived in the USSR and I am able to distinguish reality from tales.
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July 28th, 2011, 10:41 PM
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#20 | | Historian
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Originally Posted by azato2000 You alleged that Jews also had problems with entering universities. I denied your absurd statement. And then you give example with Andre Geim. ??? | "The discrimination against Jews in Soviet Union is a combination of all the basic forms of discrimination existing in the other countries of the diaspora, and includes official discrimination:
a) There are percentage norms limiting acceptance to higher education institutions and limiting employment opportunities
b) ...
c) ...
d) ...
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A Documentary history of Communism in Russia: from Lenin to Gorbachev By Robert Vincent Daniels.
And please reread previous posts using something more then those translate services. I've never claim that Andre Geim is a Jew. Quite opposite. It was about "short period".
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