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Old July 27th, 2011, 02:49 PM   #1

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Have you lived through Communist Eastern Europe?


This is pointed more to our East European members who lived through the soviet era.

How was the normal day to day life?

How do you compare it to nowadays?
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Old July 27th, 2011, 03:22 PM   #2
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There already were quite a few of such threads. I don't remember if you have participated.

I myself spent only first 3 years of my life, but I talk to a lot of people about precisely that. Most common answer from common people (not intellectuals or very religious) to question as generic as yours in my experience is that life was calmer (they refer to late 70s 80s socialism in czechoslovakia). Then you can go on about what was better than now, what was worse, differentiate between various eras and places of socialism (each have differed), etc.

edit: OK, I you see did participate. For record, some links I have found now:
http://www.historum.com/european-his...communism.html
http://www.historum.com/european-his...u-approve.html
http://www.historum.com/european-his...countries.html
and the unforgettable http://www.historum.com/european-his...communism.html

Of course it's always welcome to hear new opinions

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Old July 27th, 2011, 10:49 PM   #3
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Well, life was good and bad, depends the point of view. Old ppl and modest ppl who did not have big ideas lived good, because the basic goods, like food, cloths, etc. were cheep.

It was very quite - almost no criminality, big authority of the police, quiet streets, unlocked doors.

On the other hand - police brutality, authorities did not allow serious critics, one party only rules and no others, not interesting news. The police was severely brutal, and not always towards the quilty.

They used to hide the important information, for example when big tragedies took place, like train crash, etc., they mentioned this with 3 lines at the last page of the papers, which were state controlled totaly.

No private property except houses and some agricultural lands, but small.

Chronicle deficite of certain goods in the stores, all owned by the state, of course.

No jeans, for example... Sometimes the electricity stops. No water in some regions of the countryside.

A lot of books and movies, but all censored.

A lot of presure on the ppl, but mostly under early cominism. Later it became more OK and OK.

Oh, and you must wait to by a car - from 4 to 15 years;

for flat - 5-25 years...

You cannot have more than 1 flat in one city and a house in one village...

If you are not married, you pay tax to the state.

Students in the schools and universities were obliged to WORK 1 or 2 months each year for the state. Those events step by step turned out to be very pleasant for young ppl, brought togather, but after wall, ppl do not need to go to obligatpry work to feel happy, right? It`s better to go to some sea resort abroad ))

Travels abroad in non-socialist countries were not allowed without permition of the police.

However, ppl found way to arrange the things. A lot of ppl build their own big houses, like those:
http://www.icbproperties.com/bg/bulg...enets/olt/all/

sometimes using their friends and neighbours labour and skills.

Life was quiet, but finally the state ppl took all the money and the county collapsed. Than the democracy WAS ALLOWED.

And there were huge diferences between the communist countries - civilized Middle Europe wes the best, than Yougoslawia, Bulgaria was relatibely..., hm, good (according the socialist standarts!), USSR and Romania were worse, Albania and North Korea were the worst.

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USSR, 1980-1990. I was a school boy.

Morning:
Breakfast. Watching TV. 20 copecks (soviet currency ~30 US cents) given by mom for a snack in a school cafeteria. (100 copecks is 1 ruble; average salary is about 200 rubles ~ 300 USD)

School from 8 am to 2 pm

2 pm-6 pm Happy time! Do what you want until your parents come back home.
No baby-sitters cause criminality is at minimum.
If you aren't so lucky, every other day you have to go to music/art school (free of charge) or sport-society (membership is about 25 cents per year).

6 pm-10 pm.
Have to go home
Have to have a dinner
Have to make home-work
30 mins of TV ))))))))
Have to go to bed
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Old July 28th, 2011, 01:38 AM   #5
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This is pointed more to our East European members who lived through the soviet era.

How was the normal day to day life?

How do you compare it to nowadays?
I was child but it was funny..(from a kid's point of view)

imagine that there were 2 state founded tv channels.
there were commercials like in west but there was no point of it cause there were usually one state founded tv/washing machine/hoover/yoghurt ect ect...so they promoted things that you must buy either way.
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Old July 28th, 2011, 01:51 AM   #6
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This is pointed more to our East European members who lived through the soviet era.

How was the normal day to day life?

How do you compare it to nowadays?
I can tell you how the wealthy had it.

My Grand grand dad was a judge. He had legal immunity = he could earn big money on the black market by importing stuff that was normally illegal in the country such as "western things".

He could also fix visas from his friends in the goverment and sell them to people who wanted to work abroad.

He also got a nice german manor from the state as his home ( The family lost 1 manor in Ukraine and another one in a Polish town that became a school ) so they gave it to him as a gift for what he had lost.

He also fixed papers for my granddad to open up private bussiness that would have been vey hard if it werent for his position in the community.

But then again many had it much worser, for example i know a lady that was forced to rent out her townhouse to the judical district for a fixed sum that was so low that she had to live in the basement. my family still rents one of these apartments for a very cheap price.
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Old July 28th, 2011, 11:58 AM   #7
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One example - ppl did not use to say:

"I bought a home"

They used to say:

"I WAS GIVVEN A HOME"

The money were not a problem, but the right, the permition to take property.... there were waiting lists!

The money really were not a problem.
As a student in the University I cleaned streets during the Summer and I made about 500 leva per month, wich is equal now I guess to 3000 USD. My "boss", an old and experienced street - cleaner earned about 800 leva... For him, 60 year`s old guy, that was more than enough.

But for me? Where to spend, what to buy)

And now paradox... young engineer in a factory, or teacher, took only 200 and even 120 per month. My sallary as a street-cleaner were equal to the University Assistent Professor..... or an army captain.

I never learned how the communists did those things...

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Нашето детство

Pictures from Bulgarian communism )

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I know that in USSR University was shut to join in for some teenagers,who had inappropriate nations.
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Old July 28th, 2011, 07:08 PM   #10
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Well, in Bulgaria, in the first years after WWII children of the unapropriate ppl were not allowed to study in the University, but this stopped after 1960.

But some specialties, like International affairs, journalism, cinema direction, were not allowed for everyone, only for some specially approved ppl. Military and police academy also checked the candidates for political reliability.

For example, one of my cousins were denied from military pilot`s school, because his grandfather (who he never knew) used to be a policeman (just street policeman) before and during the WWII.

But to be honest, in the 80-ies this was not very strong.

There were also some privileged ppl - children and grandchildren of so called "Active fighters against capitalism and fascism" (sic!) (some ppl, how had real or fictional contribution for the communists victory during and after WWII) were allowed to enter the University without exams.

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