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Old November 8th, 2007, 08:25 PM   #1

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Finnish Origin


I will venture to guess that few Americans know very much about Finland, its people or its non-indoeuropean language. I can't say I am much more educated than this lot, but I am interested in learning more.

Finnish is the most widely spoken language of the Finno-Ugric language group, which includes Estonian, the Sami language of Northern Sweden and Norway, Karelian, and others spoken only in Russia (Vepsian, Ludian, Mari, Mordvin, Komi, Udmort and probably others).

Finnish ethnicity seems to be very shrouded, from what I can tell.

http://virtual.finland.fi/finfo/english/where_do.html

Finns seem to be a mix of "European" and Siberian stock. They appear to be closely related to the Samis.

The origin of the Finnish people and language seem very interesting to me. Can anyone help me out.

P.S. Due to the inherently racial aspect of this subject let us keep this thread academic and un-biased...
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Old November 8th, 2007, 08:26 PM   #2

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Don't forget the Hungarian Magyars.
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Old November 8th, 2007, 08:41 PM   #3

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Don't forget the Hungarian Magyars.
Oh yes. Hungarian is the southermost spoken Uralic language, correct?
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Old November 9th, 2007, 06:35 AM   #4

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It's related to the Mordovin language and others found around the Urals in Russia. Yes, it's the southernmost, but probably one of the more important ones, and it makes Hungary the oddball of Central European languages.
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Old November 9th, 2007, 01:48 PM   #5

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The origin of the Finnish people and language seem very interesting to me. Can anyone help me out.
Try to ask here: http://valhalla.ulver.com
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Old November 10th, 2007, 08:30 AM   #6

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I can't really say I know much about the Finns. One of my great-great-grandfathers was Finnish. At the age of 16 he took a job on a ship bound for New York. When he got there, he walked away into the city, resulting, eventually, in my DNA. Perhaps this is why, unlike most people, I actually enjoy a sauna? The only native-born Finn I'm acquainted with is an inveterate reader of detective novels.

If you have a strong stomach, you might enjoy this piece on the Russo-Finnish War -

http://www.exile.ru/articles/detail....0&IBLOCK_ID=35
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Old November 10th, 2007, 04:59 PM   #7

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Very interesting article. I've heard that to this day the Finns are some of the most nationalistic people in Europe.
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Old November 19th, 2007, 09:25 AM   #8

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Touranic ? Since Turkish is in Altaic and Finnish is in Uralic side, there can be an association. and Hungarian ( we call them : Majar), as well, is linked to Siberian roots, together with Turkic tribes.

what's that 'sami' thing u are talkina bout cadell? u mean semitic ? the Lapps in Northern Sweden ? mmm, i dont think The Finns have semitic heritage. Finns are more like 'Asian'.
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Old November 19th, 2007, 10:33 AM   #9

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Samis are Finno-Ugrians that historically lived in the high taiga and herded reindeer. Interbreeding between Slavs and Finns is allegedly what made so many Russians blond.

Magyar is only related to Altaic Turkic languages because Onogur Bulgar (Hungarian) nobles dominated the Finno-Ugric Magyar population when they transitioned from life as hunters and fishermen in the forest to nomadic herdsmen on the steppe.
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Old November 20th, 2007, 08:14 AM   #10

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we can employ some etymological explanations of Finn and Finnland to track the origin.

Finnland is a name given by Germans or Swedish. Literally, it means : Land of Finns. But the word Finn, in Swedish, is used for Sami or, as i said before, Lapp. The word Finn derives from a Germenic word which means ' gatherer'. you can compare the word 'Find' in English.

The finnish name for Finnland is Suomi that might derive from a a Baltaic word
'zeme' which means 'land'. but i read a book about finnland, its name is ' the land of white lillies' and it says Suomi means 'land of swamps' :s i am confused. anyway, the important thing here is the similarity of the words Suomi and Sami. They are likely to come from Asia, regarding this picture:Click the image to open in full size.

They speak a Finno-Ugric language.and an article from Wikipedia:

Sami
Genetic_genealogy Genetic_genealogy
has been of great interest because of their large genetic distance from other European populations including their closest neighbours. There is considerable
Genetic_variation Genetic_variation
between the different Sami groups, but they all share a common ancestry. The genetic data show that the Sami have no close relatives in any population including their closest linguistic relatives but are in general more closely related to Europeans than people of other continents. The closest of the distant relatives are
Finnish_people Finnish_people
, but this is probably due to more recent immigration of Finnish people into the Sami areas and the assimilation of the Sami population into the mainstream population in today's Finland.
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