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July 31st, 2011, 01:41 PM
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#31 | | Historian
Joined: Dec 2010 From: Newfoundland Posts: 1,934 |
Revolution is one thing, Regicide is another. Nothing can excuse the blatant murder of Christian Kings like Charles I and Louis XVI.
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July 31st, 2011, 01:41 PM
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#32 | | Ex Cold War Warrior
Joined: Mar 2011 From: North East England Posts: 3,074 | Quote:
Originally Posted by Crystal Rainbow I think Louis XIV deserved that treatment than Louis XVI. Louis XIV used up a lot of the country's wealth on his extravagances for more than Louis XIV. Neither him or his wife were bothered about politics. But is that a crime. No | Its a crime when you neglect your own subjects.
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July 31st, 2011, 01:44 PM
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#33 | | Historian
Joined: Apr 2011 From: Melbourne Posts: 1,277 | Quote:
Originally Posted by Crystal Rainbow Neither him or his wife were bothered about politics. | I assume here you're referring to Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette. Unfortunately, that's not quite true; both participated in secret letters across the borders, conspired in other ways, etc. By all means, warranted, but they were certainly interested in politics - even before the Revolution. Remember that Versailles definitely a political hub, and despite what many say, Louis was still king. He was necessarily bothered by politics (with Marie in the earlier years trying unsuccessfully to enter the political arena too) more relevantly after 1774.
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July 31st, 2011, 02:11 PM
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#34 | | The Good Knight
Joined: Feb 2011 From: Cumbernauld Scotland Posts: 7,365 | Quote:
Originally Posted by SPERRO Its a crime when you neglect your own subjects. | They were very unlucky. There are far worse monarchs that had done a lot more harm to their country's welfare than Louis XVI and Marie Antoinette.
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July 31st, 2011, 03:46 PM
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#35 | | Bonapartist
Joined: Sep 2010 From: Somewhere in the former First French Empire Posts: 3,105 | Quote:
Originally Posted by Crystal Rainbow I think Louis XIV deserved that treatment than Louis XVI. Louis XIV used up a lot of the country's wealth on his extravagances for more than Louis XIV. Neither him or his wife were bothered about politics. But is that a crime. No | Although I am against the executions of both in think Louis XIV achieved more then Louis XVI. Look wat louis XIV achieved on territorial expanding, the fact he made France the number one power in western Europe and the spread of French culture that dominated Europe for more then 200 years.
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July 31st, 2011, 04:01 PM
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#36 | | Scholar
Joined: Nov 2010 Posts: 637 |
Not justified.
Especially all innocent people who were killed.
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July 31st, 2011, 04:16 PM
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#37 | | Bonapartist
Joined: Sep 2010 From: Somewhere in the former First French Empire Posts: 3,105 | Quote:
Originally Posted by Helios Not justified.
Especially all innocent people who were killed. | Indeed what a waste when an innocent aristocrat died.
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July 31st, 2011, 04:38 PM
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#38 | | Suspended indefinitely
Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 19,934 | Quote:
Originally Posted by jeroenrottgering Indeed what a waste when an innocent aristocrat died. | Yup, especially when there are so many pedestrian plebeians ready for being executed...
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July 31st, 2011, 11:04 PM
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#39 | | Cynical Optimist
Joined: Jul 2011 From: Australia Posts: 2,388 |
Their execution was an unfortunate political necessity. Even though she was a prisoner, look at the continual problems Mary Queen of Scots caused Elizabeth I of England.
The same or worse would have happened in France. Alive they would have served as a rallying point for French royalists and there would have been continuous efforts to restore them to the throne. As Marie Antoinette was a Hapsburg there would most likely have been backing from Austria and the other royal houses of Europe as well.
For the success of the revolution they had to die.
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August 1st, 2011, 02:12 AM
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#40 | | Bonapartist
Joined: Sep 2010 From: Somewhere in the former First French Empire Posts: 3,105 | Quote:
Originally Posted by sylla1 Yup, especially when there are so many pedestrian plebeians ready for being executed... | Haha a little less sarcasm wouldn't hurt | | |
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