Henry VIII - Page 2 - Historum

halomanuk · August 3rd, 2011, 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by kbear

if you are talking about that leg ulcer--i would say that did affect his personality. he was in horrible pain frequently. i'm surprised he didn't become septic and die of that wound earlier.
being in constant pain would make anyone grouchy, so i'd say yes--it did have a bearing on his later tyranny..

Well the leg is connected to the same accident of course,which was the jousting accident.
But he also took a tremendous blow on the head as he fell that day and some people (which i can see their point ) surmise that the blow to the head was more severe than it seemed and he had a slight personality change because of this which made him less tolerant and more inclined to act on things he may not have done before,which if you look at his timeline during his reign it may well point to that.

**SPERRO** · August 3rd, 2011, 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by halomanuk

Exactly,hence why i still think that the accident tipped the scales.

Please excuse my ignorance Halo but what was this accident that you refer to?.

halomanuk · August 3rd, 2011, 05:09 AM

Henry loved to joust and sword fight and in 1524 he entered a jousting tournament and was knocked from his horse,which also fell on him,and he was unconcious for about 2 hours.

I still think this changed him,it was one hell of a fall and hit from the lance.This also gave him his gammy leg in later life.

**SPERRO** · August 3rd, 2011, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by halomanuk

Henry loved to joust and sword fight and in 1524 he entered a jousting tournament and was knocked from his horse,which also fell on him,and he was unconcious for about 2 hours.

I still think this changed him,it was one hell of a fall and hit from the lance.This also gave him his gammy leg in later life.

I always thought that the ulcerations were due to Gout and too much claret (Bordeux). He was involved in quite a few hunting accidents as well.
Hehad a nasty habit of getting involved in Longsword competitions while heavily intoxicated, in addition to not wearing any armoured protection whilst doing so!.

halomanuk · August 3rd, 2011, 05:21 AM

It was always the same wound that would open SPERRO,but whether this actually killed him or syphillis did remains to be seen.

**SPERRO** · August 3rd, 2011, 05:24 AM

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Originally Posted by halomanuk

It was always the same wound that would open SPERRO,but whether this actually killed him or syphillis did remains to be seen.

I would'nt be suprised if it was an STD that put an end to him however, he was still relatively young when he died. He lived life to excess and this probably assisted his death.

halomanuk · August 3rd, 2011, 05:29 AM

Without a doubt,he ballooned and his mood worsened with it.
I wouldn't have liked to be around his court in the 1540's until he died in '47.

**SPERRO** · August 3rd, 2011, 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by halomanuk

Without a doubt,he ballooned and his mood worsened with it.
I wouldn't have liked to be around his court in the 1540's until he died in '47.

While we are on this subject, lets clear up a few misnomors about the 'court'. The people that made up Henry's court were all the same. We tend to look at the period through 'Rose coloured glasses' with Henry as the Bad one central to everything else. These people were all knocking each other off in the corridors of the palaces. Even the clergy were at it. Young women were at a premium.

halomanuk · August 3rd, 2011, 05:43 AM

True but Henry also was very clever at giving orders to his ministers to action with the public so that if anything went wrong he could say it was their idea and they would take the brunt.
He would have no hesitation on using someone to try out a new tax law and then removing them if it went wrong.

He was as clever as them,at least in his prime.
Wolsey is a prime example,once he had outlived his usefulness.

What a lovely gift Hampton Court made from a desperate Cardinal to his King.

**SPERRO** · August 3rd, 2011, 05:58 AM

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True but Henry also was very clever at giving orders to his ministers to action with the public so that if anything went wrong he could say it was their idea and they would take the brunt.
He would have no hesitation on using someone to try out a new tax law and then removing them if it went wrong.

He was as clever as them,at least in his prime.
Wolsey is a prime example,once he had outlived his usefulness.

What a lovely gift Hampton Court made from a desperate Cardinal to his King.

Yes, I agree with what your saying but the promiscuous side of the court cannot be ignored. Taken at basic face value, there is a tendancy to assume that everyone else around Henry, are squeaky clean. Untrue.
I will quote a case as a typical example. Although not in Henry's period but not long after, his daughter elizabeth was being kept under close supervision whilst Mary Tudor was around. At 13 years of age, elizabeth was constantly trying to 'bed' any male that came into close contact with her and, she succeeded. So much for the 'Virgin Queen'.

Sex was a comodity to enable people to get ahead, either with wealth, political power, leniancy etc etc, especially when this was required from the king himself.