Henry VIII - Page 4 - Historum

**SPERRO** · August 3rd, 2011, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by halomanuk

That,we will never know,and yes i agree he probably abused her in some way when he had the chance,but either way the man was a perverted git haha.

Getting back to Henry's time, it was accepted by noble families that sacrifices (ie, your childrens chastity) was a small price to pay for increasing the wealth and social standing of the clan. In the case of the Boleyns, it was Norfolk (Annes uncle) who insisted that she try to capture the kings attention and get him in the sack!

This was true!

halomanuk · August 3rd, 2011, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by History Chick

Henry only had two known mistresses that he did not wind up marrying: Bessie Blount and Mary Boleyn. Henry also only claimed one illegitimate child (Henry Fitzroy) who was born in 1519. Henry and Katherine were married in 1509 - Bessie Blount was Henry's first known mistress so he was presumably faithful to Katherine for a good 9 years or so.

I'm not sure I'd call any of that "womanizing" for the standards of the time. Maybe by today's standards it might be but we can not judge historical figures by our own modern standards.

Charles II probably had far more mistresses and illegitimate children.

Well compared to his father who reigned before him i would call him precisely that wouldn't you ??

And then add his wives into the equation i think it's enough said.

And as for the 'Merrie Monarch' himself,well,the man was just having fun eh ?

halomanuk · August 3rd, 2011, 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by SPERRO

Getting back to Henry's time, it was accepted by noble families that sacrifices (ie, your childrens chastity) was a small price to pay for increasing the wealth and social standing of the clan. In the case of the Boleyns, it was Norfolk (Annes uncle) who insisted that she try to capture the kings attention and get him in the sack!

This was true!

And she did,and at least one good thing came out of their marriage and that was Elizabeth.

**tjadams** · August 3rd, 2011, 07:11 AM

I'm learning a lot from the last two pages of postings. Keep it going you Brits.

**SPERRO** · August 3rd, 2011, 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by halomanuk

And she did,and at least one good thing came out of their marriage and that was Elizabeth.

We make our own judgements about Henry's behavior however, it should be apparent that he was not that extraordinary. The queens that got into bed with him were there because they were asked, and they agreed.

halomanuk · August 3rd, 2011, 07:15 AM

They wouldn't dare not to,and until later in his life he could turn on the charm and be very charismatic,we shouldnt be fooled by the grumpy portraits of him.

Oh and thanks TJ...we aim to please !

**SPERRO** · August 3rd, 2011, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by halomanuk

They wouldn't dare not to,and until later in his life he could turn on the charm and be very charismatic,we shouldnt be fooled by the grumpy portraits of him.

Oh and thanks TJ...we aim to please !

Catherine Parr and 'the Flanders mare' were the only two queens not sexually active with him.

Anne of Cleves Reeked of garlic and Cromwell got throttled for it.
catherine Parr just became a companion to him until his death.

halomanuk · August 3rd, 2011, 07:21 AM

Haha the story of Anne of Cleves is so funny isnt it ? I love the way Henry loved the portrait and then did a 'double take' when she arrived as she looked nothing like it.

Poor Cromwell and the rest must have thought they would have permanent 'neck-ache' later in the week.

I would love to have been a fly on the wall to see Henry's genuine facial expression when he 1st saw her .

**SPERRO** · August 3rd, 2011, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by halomanuk

Haha the story of Anne of Cleves is so funny isnt it ? I love the way Henry loved the portrait and then did a 'double take' when she arrived as she looked nothing like it.

Poor Cromwell and the rest must have thought they would have permanent 'neck-ache' later in the week.

I would love to have been a fly on the wall to see Henry's genuine facial expression when he 1st saw her .

You wanna hear something really funny?, the portrait given to Henry by Cromwell was from Holbein. a perfect likeness

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The fact is that even though Henry politely said no thanks, he held anne of Cleves in High esteem, and they were friends for the rest of his reign.

halomanuk · August 3rd, 2011, 07:31 AM

Anne was a tough cookie just like Catherine of Aragon and Catherine Parr.Henry respected and tolerated that to a degree.

Holbein was a painter Henry really liked as he was into painting and art himself,and had his portraits painted by him.

I think Holbein tried to hard to please the King and maybe brushed Anne up a little too much - the first case ever of air brushing haha !!