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Old August 9th, 2011, 10:03 AM   #21

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Trust me on this. Im not falling into any trap. I dont consider myself Croat or Serb or Bosniak. I lived in 7 different countries, so...

I realy wanted you to tell me what language spoke Bosniaks before Ottomans came?

Unfortunately you are only one who fell into Bosniaks trap, or should I say Islam radical trap. Because I know several Bosniaks who will tell you the same. "Yes we separete from you".

Sorry to be one to tell you but there is NO Bosniaks Slavic Tribe.
If you know differnet please be so kind and tell me where did you read so.
I would like to read it for myself.

Be clever. Think about it. How come that we dont have any records of that Slavic tribe trough the history?
Nadir, as many historians accepted that Medieval Bosnia were not only Croats and Serbs but Bosnians with different religious views. Medieval Bosnia was the place of Catharism also that is why I mentioned Zoroastranism in my previous post. Bogumils call themselves good christians(dobri krstjani) or good Bosnians, later be Occitan “bonhomme” was terms also used for Bogumils. They also had their own scripture,the Bosnancica. Crusades organized over them as well which is why Ottomans was kinda saviour for them from persecution of Catholic church. Of course they were speaking Bosnian which was a dialect like Croatian and Serbian before Ottomans came, what do you expect? The story of Bogumils mentioned by many historians but it is always questioned and denied or either fabricated by Serbian historians unfortunately.
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Old August 9th, 2011, 10:07 AM   #22

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How do Albanians fit into all this? Are they Slavs as well?
Albanians were from the tribe of Illyrs and some other tribes too like Deuri as far as I remember. In fact according to genomes Serbs, Croats, and Bosniaks can be counted as Illyrs as well
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Nadir, as many historians accepted that Medieval Bosnia were not only Croats and Serbs but Bosnians with different religious views. Medieval Bosnia was the place of Catharism also that is why I mentioned Zoroastranism in my previous post. Bogumils call themselves good christians(dobri krstjani) or good Bosnians, later be Occitan “bonhomme” was terms also used for Bogumils. They also had their own scripture,the Bosnancica. Crusades organized over them as well which is why Ottomans was kinda saviour for them from persecution of Catholic church. Of course they were speaking Bosnian which was a dialect like Croatian and Serbian before Ottomans came, what do you expect? The story of Bogumils mentioned by many historians but it is always questioned and denied or either fabricated by Serbian historians unfortunately.
You mixing religion and ethnics/nationality. Croats and Serbs are not religions.
I realy dont know why you mentioned Catharism i Zoroastranism. Can you elaborate this more?
Oh you forgot. Bogumils were sect of 30 000 followers. Mostly Croats and Serbs. 99,9%

Bogumils=/=Bosniaks
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In fact according to genomes Serbs, Croats, and Bosniaks can be counted as Illyrs as well
Oh oh, can you elaborate this too? Please.

And its Illyrians.

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Old August 9th, 2011, 10:24 AM   #25

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You mixing religion and ethnics/nationality. Croats and Serbs are not religions.
I realy dont know why you mentioned Catharism i Zoroastranism. Can you elaborate this more?
Oh you forgot. Bogumils were sect of 30 000 followers. Mostly Croats and Serbs. 99,9%

Bogumils=/=Bosniaks
Yeah I know, Croats and Serbs are not religions. In fact when all these tribes came to Balkans, they were pagans...
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Oh oh, can you elaborate this too? Please.

And its Illyrians.
Sure here you go;


Indigenous Peoples in Croatia

Illyrian 34 %
Slav 20 %
Celtic 18 %
Teuton 12 %
Phoenician 8 %
Hellenic People 8 %

Indigenous Peoples in Serbia & Montenegro

Slav 30 %
Illyrian 21 %
Teuton 18 %
Celtic 14 %
Phoenician 9 %
Hellenic People 6 %
Vikings 2 %

Indigenous Peoples in Bosnia-Herzegovina

Illyrian 40 %
Teuton 20 %
Celtic 15 %
Slav 15 %
Hunnians 6 %
Thracians 4 %

Sorry I was wrong about the Serbs
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Nadir it seems that you have considarable knowledge on the topic but you refuse to share it, you only say who is wrong and isn't, maybe you can elaborate on the subject?
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Yeah I know, Croats and Serbs are not religions. In fact when all these tribes came to Balkans, they were pagans...
Yes, Serbs and Croats were pagans.
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Nadir it seems that you have considarable knowledge on the topic but you refuse to share it, you only say who is wrong and isn't, maybe you can elaborate on the subject?
No problem, what you need to know, ask?
I thought I elaborate all.
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Old August 9th, 2011, 10:33 AM   #30

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No problem, what you need to know, ask?
I thought I elaborate all.
The original question are they all slavs, and if not what are the differencess, except religious.
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