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Old August 9th, 2011, 10:41 AM   #31
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Sure here you go;


Indigenous Peoples in Croatia

Illyrian 34 %
Slav 20 %
Celtic 18 %
Teuton 12 %
Phoenician 8 %
Hellenic People 8 %

Indigenous Peoples in Serbia & Montenegro

Slav 30 %
Illyrian 21 %
Teuton 18 %
Celtic 14 %
Phoenician 9 %
Hellenic People 6 %
Vikings 2 %

Indigenous Peoples in Bosnia-Herzegovina

Illyrian 40 %
Teuton 20 %
Celtic 15 %
Slav 15 %
Hunnians 6 %
Thracians 4 %

Sorry I was wrong about the Serbs
For god sake where did you get all this stuff? Are you serious?
Look genetically speaking you cant tell diference between Illyrians and Slavics.
Illyrians and Slavic have have groups of Y Chromosome I2 amongst their ranks.

Also this list sucks for another reason. You mentioned Phoenician.
Phoenicians are haplogroup J2. How can you tell difference between Phoenicians from other Levantine and Mesopotamian groups who were also J2? Fact is you cant.


Thing is Genetics is not that specific.
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Old August 9th, 2011, 10:41 AM   #32
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The original question are they all slavs, and if not what are the differencess, except religious.
I thought I explained that. Read my posts.
Croats are Slavic tribe. Serbs too. Bosniaks became from those two.
Differences: Language, Territory (Bosnia and Herzegovina is story for itself) , Traditions, Culture, History.

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Old August 9th, 2011, 10:49 AM   #33

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For god sake where did you get all this stuff? Are you serious?
Look genetically speaking you cant tell diference between Illyrians and Slavics.
Illyrians and Slavic have have groups of Y Chromosome I2 amongst their ranks.

Also this list sucks for another reason. You mentioned Phoenician.
Phoenicians are haplogroup J2. How can you tell difference between Phoenicians from other Levantine and Mesopotamian groups who were also J2? Fact is you cant.


Thing is Genetics is not that specific.
Here is the source;
genetic makeup of balkan peoples Bosniaks,serbs,Croats,Albanians Igenea research

Anyway even if this is wrong, what would that change? Nothing...
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Old August 9th, 2011, 10:54 AM   #34
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Here is the source;
genetic makeup of balkan peoples Bosniaks,serbs,Croats,Albanians Igenea research

Anyway even if this is wrong, what would that change? Nothing...
That is wrong for sure. Little knowledge in gentics goes a long way.
What would that change? I dont know you said about how Croats and Serbs and Bosniaks are Illyrians.

For me-everything is same as it is.
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Old August 9th, 2011, 10:56 AM   #35
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@Bahadir

Try to understand. Its like you said that there is difference in genetics between Sioux, Apache and Anasazi. Genetically looking you cant tell difference. All people who said like "Oh my genetics shows Im Hopi indian" are BS.

I hope that helps you.
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Old August 9th, 2011, 10:26 PM   #36
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Finally we think the same.
I am sure there is more we can agree. I understand that Yugoslav wars are sensitive topic for people in ex Yugoslavian countries.
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Old August 9th, 2011, 10:32 PM   #37
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How do Albanians fit into all this? Are they Slavs as well?
Albanians are not Slavic. Their origin is unknown, most probably from some ancient Balkan people. They sometimes claim they are Illirians, but that might be just nationalistic rhetoric.

Their language have similarities with Daco-Thracian so that group of people is most probable candidate of their origin.
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Old August 9th, 2011, 10:45 PM   #38
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Here is the source;
genetic makeup of balkan peoples Bosniaks,serbs,Croats,Albanians Igenea research

Anyway even if this is wrong, what would that change? Nothing...
You can't be serious... simply because your source definitively is not either.

There is not any single scholar reference in all that anonymous contribution, just self-references from an online forum.

Besides, there is not even the suggestion that any statistical analysis was even tried; in such condition there's no way that [sic] "The results best speak for them selves".

In plain English, there's no way to know if any difference between any two given figures may be significant or just random; such observation is particularly relevant when so many variables are posted (no less than 36!)

Even more; many of the "ethnic terms" used are presumably unscientific (e.g. "Teuton" vs. "Vandal" for Slowenia?).
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Old August 9th, 2011, 11:24 PM   #39
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I am sure there is more we can agree. I understand that Yugoslav wars are sensitive topic for people in ex Yugoslavian countries.
No doubt that we can find more that we agreed about.
And yes, you are right it is a sensitive topic, especially for me because I have personal losses. Thats why I will try to avoid it as much as possible.
Besides Im here to learn, fill my gaps. And Im full of Yugoslav wars.
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are the Croatians, Bosnians and Serbians are of Slavic ethnicity or different races?
Yes, they mainly inherited slavic language and identiy. Serbians and Croatians inherited the identity of early serb and croat tribes, like hungarians inherited the identity of magyars. But on a majority of other layers: many other slavic tribes+balcanics(thracians, dacians, illirians)+vlachs+avars+germanics+pechenegs. The bosnians are the same, except the little but many slavic layers were majoritars, and lack an important slavic tribe from which the identity.
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