KGB

Absolutely not true! Identity is just personal feeling and personal right, but when it is shared by a majority of ppl, it is an objective fact. Besides, identity cannot subjectively evaluate history. History - this is the objective facts of the past.

Thessalonian

Historians do give a damn, actually.

Being a Greek today is not a disgrace. But then again who knows about your national identity anyway....

No I am a Macedonian Greek, just like there are Thessalian Greeks, Thracian Greeks and Greeks from Ipirus.

KGB

1/ But of course you will be Macedonian, if you want so The dispute is entirely in the matter of history..

2/ San Stefano was historically correct! How about the Kresna-Razlog rebel immediately after the Berlin congres?

3/ The similarity is too big to be compared with other Slavic nations. Too big. Despite Tito`s efforts to "serb" the language and to create new words... My grandmother used to sing to me so many Macedonians songs. She had nothing in common of Macedinia.. Because they are so close to us.

Besides, so many Macedonians - descendants of refugees, live in Bulgaria. They have their family memories and they know very well how the things are.

We are separated by history, but we are united in the history. What a paradox to explain to our Western friends ))

KGB

If same in Sofia ("Bulgarians are Macedonians"), I don`t think something will happen to him.

How it happens, that graveyards are destroyed and ppl have been razzed... from the Tito rule up to the present days??

Alaric

1. It's not only about history. Didn't you say earlier that we are the same? That's not history, that's the present. You guys don't recognize that we are separate now - even though we clearly aren't the same.

2. I don't think it is possible to claim a treaty is 'correct', at least by any objective standard. Surely it was 'correct' for Bulgaria, but not so much for others, which is why it was scrapped.

3. The connection isn't bigger than with other Slavic countries, like Serbia. You shouldn't have to insult our language as being 'Serbianized' to bring us closer. By the way, what were your reasons for ignoring our language when you codified Bulgarian? I don't think you have ever respected our language, it's always been 'foreign' in some respect.

Because Bulgarians have no problem with that phrase. Try someone wrapped in the Vergina Star yelling "Bulgarians are Tatar-Mongols".

KGB

1. Well, today you can declare yourself even Tibetian. So it is about history. I think we are the same, you think we are not. OK. But the history cannot be forged.

2. The treaty included all the Bulgarian populated territories, according to the "Ekzarhia" referendum.

Tell me, why Russians, and Europeans never ever put the Macedonian problem in the "Carigrad" (that`s Istanbul for our western friends) conference before the Sultan??

The Berlin congress, who separated Bulgaria - why there is no word for Macedonians?

3. In the previous Bulgarian grammar there were some letters, unifying Eastern and Western Bulgarian dialects.

Nobody insults the language - it is fact, that it is tried to be serbianized. Unsuccessfully, of course.

I don`t think something will happen with someone, who will yell Bulgarian are Tataro-Mongols Ppl will joke with him. We have no problem with that too because we don`t need to ensure those things by force

That`s why Bulgaria immediately recognized Macedonia, our president convinced Elcin to recognize you and he did in signing the decree in his airplain, comming back from Bulgaria and we have actually armed your army with 120 tanks, when you had only 4...

It is you, who try to separate, and separate, and separate....

You know what Commintern`s thesis was: There is no Bulgaria, there is Moesians, Tracians and Macedonians...

falcon

Ooh yes they do, and there are other people ready to take advantage of the inaccuracies that have been permeated since the founding of FYROM.

The real Macedonians were Greeks for many many centuries, long before new people autobaptised themselves as Macedonian too.

It's a lot more than that! and take it from someone who is not a Macedonian Greek.

If he lives in the Greek province of Macedonia, why isn' he a Macedonian Greek?
I'm from Athens; am I not an Athenian Greek?
That doesn't make any sense.

There is a big problem if other people thought of him as being a Slav, while in reality he is Greek!
It is an audacity to suggest any such thing.

There is nothing wrong if someone is a Slav!
Assuming that you are a Greek, it seems that you feel prouder of being a Slav; in this case it might be that you live in the wrong country.

Why is that?
Is this also part of the left wing propaganda that has predominated in Greece since the fall of the dictatorship?
Has the braiwashing advanced to such an extent?


PS: You know your name........ "leo_polla_psemata" (I say_many_ lies) might have to do something with what I heard above.

bilbil

I feel an obligation to answer on few things,

http://www.historum.com/european-his...tml#post947058

After Misirkov wrote “On Macedonian matter” he was beaten almost to the death by Bulgarian authorities. He was repeatedly imprisoned, tortured and was forced in prison to sign documents and wrote letters. He wasn’t strong enough to refuse it, but who can blame him couse he wrote some letters in the jail to stay live. That does not decrease the fact that in 1903 y in his book “on the Macedonian matter” wrote:

I am a Macedonian and this is how I see the position of my country: it is not Russia or Austria-Hungary that are the enemies of Macedonia, but Bulgaria, Greece and Serbia. Our country can be saved from ruin only by struggling fiercely against these states ……………………………..preface
Krste Misirkov - On Macedonian Matters - Preface


“The emergence of the Macedonians as a separate Slav people is a perfectly normal historical process which is quite in keeping with the process by which the Bulgarian, Croatian and Serbian peoples emerged from the South Slav group”………………Can Macedonia turn itself into a separate 5th part
Krste Misirkov - On Macedonian Matters - Can Macedonia turn itself into a separate ethnographical and political unit? Has it already done so? Is it doing so now?


Just couse wrote that he is Macedonian, to present him as schizophrenic is very unhuman and very low.







Next,

http://www.historum.com/european-his...tml#post949305


Thess for the Leopold letter you said that: (post below)
BRE-BRE


Here are some references



“Macedonia and Greece: The Struggle to Define a New Balkan Nation” By John Shea, 1997, page 60.





From the book “Austria’s Wars of Emergence: 1683-1797″ By Michael Hochedlinger, 2003, page 162.




For Goce Delchev we’ll discuss soon.

Thessalonian

Can you show us any original document from 1690 that speaks of "Macedonian Salonika" etc.? This seems so fake to me that it almost makes me laugh.

bilbil

You have the picture of the letter. If you ask for original letter, sorry, I don't have it at home, hehe