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September 12th, 2011, 09:54 AM
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#1 | | Historian
Joined: Jan 2009 From: Tennessee Posts: 8,298 | Braveheart=William Wallace
Yes, I know, the movie was sort of questionable in some areas of opinion, of some people.
But, anyway, what was the real importance of William Wallace in the shaping of the world, especially America?
Would, for example, the National Church of Scotland, in later centuries, have ever flowered to become Presbyterian? Would it have enjoyed the freedom to do this?
And we can see how that development had a very profound impact on America, later on?
Did Wallace sew the seeds for something that would flower many years after his death?
Now let us pause for a moment, while I do some shameless hero promotion...
Long Live William Wallace, BTW. YeeHaw!
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September 12th, 2011, 09:57 AM
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#2 | | Historian ¤ Member of the Year ¤
Joined: Sep 2011 From: UK Posts: 14,872 |
I do not think William Wallace had any impact on America.
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September 12th, 2011, 09:59 AM
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#3 | | Historian
Joined: Jan 2009 From: Tennessee Posts: 8,298 |
You dont think he helped to give Scotland the freedom that it needed to pursue its own religious pursuits, in just the right time period? When the Scottish reformation was about to stir in its incubator?
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September 12th, 2011, 10:37 AM
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#4 | | Historian
Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 4,998 |
although braveheart is one of my favorite movies--and wallace was a fascinating character--i can't see how he had any real connection or influence on america? other than influencing a future blockbuster hit movie? | | |
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September 12th, 2011, 10:38 AM
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#5 | | FYI I'm a Spy ¤ Essayist of the Year ¤
Joined: Oct 2009 From: Vancouver Posts: 4,869 |
Why does everything have to influence America?
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September 12th, 2011, 11:58 AM
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#6 | | Historian
Joined: Jan 2009 From: Tennessee Posts: 8,298 |
OK, Canada too!
But, with America, we dont see America being the same without the Presbyterian Scots-Irish being just exactly what they were. And that was, Prersbyterians.
Anglicized Scots, in line with the Anglican Church, would not be the same as the ones that we had in History. That had so much to do with the founding of, and revolution of, America. For that matter, if the Scots had been fully Anglicized, they might have not come over to start with.
No Daniel Boone, no Davy Crockett, no Stonewall Jackson, no lots of people and cultural stuff, that made America what it was. And if I could trace out the long line of events, I would have to say that it might lead plumb back to Sir William Wallace.
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September 12th, 2011, 12:00 PM
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#7 | | Resident Fenian ¤ Member of the Year ¤
Joined: Oct 2010 From: Éire Posts: 6,323 |
Wallace was a devout Catholic.
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September 12th, 2011, 12:04 PM
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#8 | | Historian
Joined: Jan 2009 From: Tennessee Posts: 8,298 | Quote:
Originally Posted by General Michael Collins Wallace was a devout Catholic. | Yes, that is true.
He did though, set into motion things that were a lot bigger than he ever could have foreseen, didnt he?
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September 12th, 2011, 12:17 PM
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#9 | | Resident Fenian ¤ Member of the Year ¤
Joined: Oct 2010 From: Éire Posts: 6,323 | Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard Stanbery Yes, that is true.
He did though, set into motion things that were a lot bigger than he ever could have foreseen, didnt he? |
He had a profound impact on Scotland certainly, though it's currently fashionable to prefer Bruce, thanks to the Braveheart movie, and played a part in massive events. However, it's difficult to see how he had a role that might not have been filled by another, or that he ever had enough influence to affect the subsequent reformation and american plantation. Perhaps you could demonstrate this to me?
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September 12th, 2011, 12:21 PM
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#10 | | The Snub Nosed Truth
Joined: Dec 2010 From: Oregon coastal mountains Posts: 5,440 | Quote:
Originally Posted by NewModelSoldier Why does everything have to influence America? | Like Backbacon!
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