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Magnate October 14th, 2011 07:21 AM

Plan of the Balkan Federation (1804-1806)
 
The plan of the Balkan Federation was first created by the Polish Prince Adam Jerzy Czartoryski. This happened in the period between 1804-1806 when he was in office as Minister of Foreign Affairs of Russia.

The plan of the Balkan federation counts among those political concepts which have never been implemented. In spite of this fact, the idea survived in the European politics. After the Second World War, Josip Broz Tito was a great advocate of this idea. The same idea was simultaneously a source of his conflict with Stalin. However,


You can read the whole thing here (It is a pdf file)

Prince Adam Jerzy Czartoryski and the plan of the Balkan Federation (1804-1806).

It is quite interesting how this shaped the country Yugoslavia.

Magnate November 5th, 2012 04:15 AM

Any people from Balkan that got any comments on this? Would be interesting to find out your opinions about this :)

Yaunâ November 5th, 2012 04:29 AM

Many Greek politicians or intellectuals have supported a Balkan federation. This looks quite similar but with more obvious Russian influence.

Ficino November 5th, 2012 04:49 AM

It was rather a form of Pravoslavnik (i.e. Orthodox) Pan-Slavism which finally aimed to replace the second Rome with the third as the spiritual and material center. Personally I don't think it was a good idea.

Lucius Vorenus November 5th, 2012 04:59 AM

Tito urged only Bulgaria to form Federation with Yugoslavia. Albania was certainly not in his plan, since it took side with Soviets after great conflict Tito - Stallin in 1948. As far as previous ideas are concerned, I don't think Serbians would ever accepted to enter such a Federation, since second half of XIX century and great victories in Balkan wars made their politics rather dominant in this area(and it contributed greatly to fight of all peoples against Austro - Hungary). You must consider also Načertanije" which was made in 1844, as a plan of serbian minister of foreign affairs, and that document served as a base of serbian politics in XIX century as well as during the Balkan wars. Ficino is more right with his conclusion. I'd add literature and maybe some quotes, but I'm somehow lazy today. I'll add later more facts.

sturm November 7th, 2012 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucius Vorenus (Post 1248116)
Tito urged only Bulgaria to form Federation with Yugoslavia. Albania was certainly not in his plan, since it took side with Soviets after great conflict Tito - Stallin in 1948. As far as previous ideas are concerned, I don't think Serbians would ever accepted to enter such a Federation, since second half of XIX century and great victories in Balkan wars made their politics rather dominant in this area(and it contributed greatly to fight of all peoples against Austro - Hungary). You must consider also Načertanije" which was made in 1844, as a plan of serbian minister of foreign affairs, and that document served as a base of serbian politics in XIX century as well as during the Balkan wars. Ficino is more right with his conclusion. I'd add literature and maybe some quotes, but I'm somehow lazy today. I'll add later more facts.

Bulgaria and Yugoslavia were very close at forming a federation, the idea was in motion, everything was pretty much ready.
Bulgaria was to have higher status in this new federation, and the Macedonian socialist republic of Yugoslavia was to receive Pirin region from Bulgaria.
However, Tito-Stalins conflict was the problem, which made this idea impossible at those times, for Bulgaria sided with the Soviet Union.
As for Albania, as funny as it may sound, Albania was a close supporter of the chinese model of socialism :)

Lucius Vorenus November 7th, 2012 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by sturm (Post 1250587)
Bulgaria and Yugoslavia were very close at forming a federation, the idea was in motion, everything was pretty much ready.
Bulgaria was to have higher status in this new federation, and the Macedonian socialist republic of Yugoslavia was to receive Pirin region from Bulgaria.
However, Tito-Stalins conflict was the problem, which made this idea impossible at those times, for Bulgaria sided with the Soviet Union.
As for Albania, as funny as it may sound, Albania was a close supporter of the chinese model of socialism :)

Stallin actually promoted idea of unified socialism of the whole world. After conflicts with Tito he forced all communist states to support declaration of Kominterna(among those states was and Albania), in which he strongly condemns "certain elements in leadership of KPJ(Communist Party of Yugoslavia), and "invited" Tito to come to Moscow to manifest attitudes about the matter. Of course you might read famous letter of Tito in which he wrote stallin: "Again we captured one of your assassins. We will return him, like we returned all previuous. How many more will you send? Please don't. If you send one more, I will send only one. He will not return.

Albania had to accept declaration of Kominterna led by Soviet Union, although maybe it's leadership wasn't entirely for it. Communism had to prove thet it's united and is the same ruling system in the whole communist world. That's why Tito's defiance struck Stallin so much.

Ficino November 7th, 2012 10:02 AM

Bulgarians and Serbs are very close people. Actually we Romanians used to call from hundreds of years ago the cyrillic alphabet we used and all the Slavonic influence as "Serbian", though in fact it was rather Bulgarian than Serbian. The Bulgarians themselves were known in the past as "Serbs" ("Sârbi") for us.

Lucius Vorenus November 7th, 2012 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Ficino (Post 1250603)
Bulgarians and Serbs are very close people. Actually we Romanians used to call from hundreds of years ago the cyrillic alphabet we used and all the Slavonic influence as "Serbian", though in fact it was rather Bulgarian than Serbian. The Bulgarians themselves were known in the past as "Serbs" ("Sârbi") for us.

That's why they were in war in 1885? By what are they close?

They share the same religion, alphabet and slavic heritage but they're not close.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbo-Bulgarian_War

Ficino November 7th, 2012 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucius Vorenus (Post 1250613)
That's why they were in war in 1885? By what are they close?

They share the same religion, alphabet and slavic heritage but they're not close.

Serbo-Bulgarian War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Lucius Vorenus, what means "close" in such a context? Romanians are much more different, we also share religion and a lot of other traditions, but "from outside" we saw them as the same people, do you want to offer you now bookish citations or what?


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