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Old December 6th, 2012, 12:26 PM   #241

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I have a suggestion it may be revolutionary or plain naive.

Tell me what you guys think.

What if the U.K., the Irish Republic, Northern Ireland all sit down and hammer out an agreement that says this:

The U.K. will relinquish the administration and any territorial claims to Northern Island, thus allowing it to join the Irish Republic, BUT in return the Irish Republic joins the Commonwealth of the U.K. It's not like they have not flirted with the idea in the past. And everybody wins. The Northern Catholics get to join the rest of Ireland the Unionist remain loyal vassals of the Crown.

Mitchell would join Commonwealth in exchange for united Ireland

After reading the article I guess my idea was not original since this guy got there first LOL.
But then the North would still be a part of the Republic and not the UK. Being a part of the Commonwealth means little. Commonwealth stats are not loyal vassals of the crown. It would require the republic to take the Queen as their head of state, and even this would not mean much in day to day terms. And i can't see the Irish going for that.

And maybe those Loyalist Protestants don't want to be a part of a nation governed by the laws of Rome, where woman die because they are not able to have an abortion.
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Old December 6th, 2012, 12:28 PM   #242

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It isn't the Commonwealth 'of the U.K.' and its members aren't 'loyal vassals of the Crown'.
That article is amusing, he said that he might agree to Ireland joining as 'the price' of unification! Would any organization like that really want a member that would have to grit its teeth to enter?

Nice to see that this issue is doing so so much to spread peace, light and mutual good will, as usual.

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No, it wouldn't, any more than the Queen is the head of state of India!
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Old December 6th, 2012, 03:29 PM   #243

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And maybe those Loyalist Protestants don't want to be a part of a nation governed by the laws of Rome, where woman die because they are not able to have an abortion.
Bish that was low. Many Protestants in America would like to see abortion illegal.
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Old December 6th, 2012, 03:40 PM   #244

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Bish that was low. Many Protestants in America would like to see abortion illegal.
That may be so. But they don't have laws imposedon them based on a foreign church.
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Old December 6th, 2012, 03:46 PM   #245

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That may be so. But they don't have laws imposedon them based on a foreign church.
It not just the Catholic Church that oppose abortions.
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Old December 6th, 2012, 03:52 PM   #246
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You have great coastal places in Norn Iron. It's been 25 years but there was Barry's at Portrush, the Strand at Portstewart and Ballycastle or Ballymena scots. Many a happy time was spent round Coleraine when we had down time. It's something you remember well like being by the Berlin Wall and glimpsing the east, later on it all changed but we were there too.

It's difficult to reconcile Lisburn, Ballykelly or Omagh or Ballygawley with happy memories but the other kind fade with age. There are a few mad, brave or lunatic people I can remember working for the Crown too ,but mebbe no more courageous than the locals living in the community. But over all I'd drink an anonymous pint again in Robinsons. From what I've seen, much of the old haunts look different today, and many places have disappeared or been developed. The north' deserves its peace.
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The suggestion that the Irish Republic should re-enter the Commonwealth is the usual way for bad journalists to generate controversy, unless it's just tongue in cheek. Just no, why should we? Britain has no rights here, never had, under any philosophy other than 'might is right'. Why sign up to their commonwealth, why we've spent 845 years fighting for something else, something better? The intention of the idea is good, but in practice it could never work. And Linschoten is right, why in the name of God would they want us in anyway? Can't exactly see Britain begging to see us re-enter or anything, but maybe that's just me.
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Nice to see that this issue is doing so so much to spread peace, light and mutual good will, as usual.
Indeed.

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Why not fly the Union Flag flanked by the EU flag and the 16th C Harp device?
Sounds good enough to me, but there's probably somebody who will object. The Unionists have serious problem accepting the Irish flag (the tricolour is more appropriate to the North than the Harp flag by the way, as the harp flag hasn't been used in a considerable period of time).

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Not quite. In the immigrations mentioned, The immigrants were referred to as Gall Gaeil (or foreign Gaels) suggesting a common Gaelic culture, unless you have information to suggest lowland Scots immigrated as well?

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Seriously though, Law is made by the people. I have a feeling the devout Puritans in NI would oppose abortion on demand as well, but let them join the Irish state and have their say with the rest of the Irish people. There have been two referenda on this issue already, why not a third with a significant Protestant say?

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Ulster has a flag why not fly it.
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I'd like to join the Republic of Ireland.
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I'd like to join the Republic of Ireland.
Why? Has it fallen apart again?
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