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Old December 6th, 2011, 03:20 PM   #1
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Modern Russia-did it become a democracy?


Is modern Russia a democracy, or a corrupt oligarchy where Putin wins every time? I just wanted to know about more of post-USSR Russian history and how it relates to democracy, of sorts, on account of the fact of the recent allegations of election fraud. Do you believe it to be true that Putin rigged the vote?

And what of the crackdown on peaceful protest and their implication for the future of Russia...
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Old December 6th, 2011, 03:25 PM   #2

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Russia is NOT a democracy. It is an oligarchy that fills its ranks from the Russian security services. Putin was a KGB officer and most of the government officials he appoints are ex-security men.

The collapse of the Soviet Union never brought democracy to Russia. The nomenklatura (the Soviet elite) re-fashioned itself as a business class that bought off state companies for a pittance and earned massive wealth and political power in the process.

The New Nobility is a book that deals specifically with this subject.
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Old December 6th, 2011, 03:52 PM   #3

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I recommend this:

BBC - BBC Radio 4 Programmes - Russia: The Wild East: Series 1

Available on certain sites via google for free, or use Radio Downloader. It discusses your question in detail as well as providing an overview of Russian history.
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The Russian federation are devoid of democracy. On Sunday there was election fraud, the mediocre popularity of United Russia was fed off by ballot-rigging. Although Putin is going to get away with, because the margin between the real and the slanted results of The United Russia was made up to by their alliance. I'm sure, three other party are only ostensible rivals, all their actions conform with the Putin's needs. Promises of all parties comprise the same paragraphs. An interesting detail: other parties revile the United Russia, but circumvent mentioning Putin. But I don't blame Putin for this grim situation, because I don't see any plausible alternative.There is no people, who are ready to offer something feasible, anything in any degree better than the great "Putin's plan". In Russian it's also a tongue-in-cheek, because plan-"план" also means marijuana.To sum up, It's a stalemate.
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A "Russian Spring", or more specific, a "Russian Winter" style protest against Putin? Or is this impossible on account of the fact that the police will just crack down hard on Russian citizens?

My guess is that eventually Russia's government will collapse. What it will be replaced with, is not certain.

Just curious, Pavel, what are your views on the old USSR(esp. if you are old enough to remember it)? Was it better/worse then the "new" Russia? Less/more corrupt?
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This seems to be about at the same level as Occupy Wallstreet, which means I wouldn't expect revolutions in the street.

If you want to see government run media bias in action though, Russia Today is lit up with it right now even more than usual.
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A "Russian Spring", or more specific, a "Russian Winter" style protest against Putin? Or is this impossible on account of the fact that the police will just crack down hard on Russian citizens?

My guess is that eventually Russia's government will collapse. What it will be replaced with, is not certain.

Just curious, Pavel, what are your views on the old USSR(esp. if you are old enough to remember it)? Was it better/worse then the "new" Russia? Less/more corrupt?
Protest against what? Parties-allies skewed their own results for masquerading themselves as irreconcilable rivals. It's obvious, the leader of those party won't appeal to protest against the rigged election. They could only offer to sulk and sob about stolen votes and very soon even rabid and ardent supporters of those parties will acquiesce to this.
Russians will refrain from collapse of the Russian government, because it will a menace to Russian integrity. Besides the majority of Russians found out that revolutionaries could only deteriorate the position of the multitude. People must fend themselves for their human rights, because foreign spin-doctors cannot impart those values.
The foreign invective only bolsters the Putin's popularity, because Russians was used to groveling to the West in 90-ties, when the Russian Federation had shortage of the cash just to feed their citizens.

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Old December 7th, 2011, 03:32 AM   #8
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So you are a pessimist? If Mubarak, Gaddafi, and Ben Ali all fell, then why can't Putin's 12-year rule fall too?

According to the BBC there are large protests Arab Spring style in a multitude of cities being planned, with a square in Moscow being renamed to "Revolution Square"

This could end badly for Putin. But who knows, the police and army could win out. But if Egypt was any case example it shows that if the people unite, then not even the police or army can automatically win.
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I hope that Russia will never become a democratic state if democracy means liberal capitalism.
Communism had ruined Russia, and now it stops on its feet.
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A "Russian Spring", or more specific, a "Russian Winter" style protest against Putin? Or is this impossible on account of the fact that the police will just crack down hard on Russian citizens?
The largest obstacle for victory of opposition is leaders of opposition. En masse they were a part of authorities and stole jointly with present-day corruptionists till they were kicked out from authority by their partners. People don't trust them.

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