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December 21st, 2011, 12:47 PM
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#31 | | Creature of the Night
Joined: Nov 2007 From: Alba Posts: 7,628 | Quote:
Originally Posted by The Harlech man  No the kingdoms of England and Ireland joined with Scotland to make Britain. | Nope. The 1707 Treaty of Union was between Scotland and England. Ireland stayed "independent" until 1800.
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December 21st, 2011, 01:50 PM
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#32 | | Suspended indefinitely
Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 1,107 | Quote:
Originally Posted by Chookie Nope. The 1707 Treaty of Union was between Scotland and England. Ireland stayed "independent" until 1800. | Ireland was owed by England.
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December 21st, 2011, 02:09 PM
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#33 | | Misanthropologist
Joined: Aug 2010 From: Wales Posts: 8,461 | Quote:
Originally Posted by The Harlech man Did he mother have sex with the duke of Nomandy and have William? Did he work he way up to being duke and was be a very military commander? Plus without him the English language wouldn't be as good. I am British, but my former family were from Normandy, infact one of my family was king Sicily. And much of the upper class in Britain is Norman, so with us you would have had no empire. |
I read this and failed to find a point to this post.
Yes she did, yes he did, still illegitimate, still therefore a bastard.
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December 21st, 2011, 02:34 PM
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#34 | | Suspended indefinitely
Joined: Dec 2011 From: UK Posts: 1,209 | Quote:
Originally Posted by Brunel England didn't annex Scotland. Both countries unified together willingly.
And considering that King James VI of Scotland became King James I of England in 1603 England has, for all intents and purposes, the Scottish monarchy reigning over it. | Except for the fact that the Stuarts were deposed by the English, who then annexed Scotland in order to secure the Hanoverian succession.
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December 21st, 2011, 02:44 PM
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#35 | | Produce of Scotland
Joined: Nov 2011 From: Thistleland Posts: 2,912 | Quote:
Originally Posted by Nyneve Except for the fact that the Stuarts were deposed by the English, who then annexed Scotland in order to secure the Hanoverian succession. | Why do you persist in using the word annexed? This implies a forceable takeover of Scotland's sovereignity which clearly never happened. You must have your reasons but for the life of me I cannot comprehend them.
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December 21st, 2011, 02:55 PM
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#36 | | Suspended indefinitely
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Originally Posted by Von Ranke Why do you persist in using the word annexed? This implies a forceable takeover of Scotland's sovereignity which clearly never happened. You must have your reasons but for the life of me I cannot comprehend them. | Scotland was bullied and bribed into accepting the union.
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December 21st, 2011, 03:01 PM
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#37 | | Produce of Scotland
Joined: Nov 2011 From: Thistleland Posts: 2,912 | Quote:
Originally Posted by Nyneve Scotland was bullied and bribed into accepting the union. | I have no dispute with you over that but at the end of the day it was the Scots themselves who accepted the bribes and with it the union but a volountary union no matter how corrupt is not the same as annexation. As far as I am aware there was no threat of a military takeover by England if the Scots rejected the union.
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December 21st, 2011, 03:07 PM
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#38 | | The Good Knight
Joined: Feb 2011 From: Cumbernauld Scotland Posts: 7,107 | Quote:
Originally Posted by Ancientgeezer Elizabeth was half Welsh. Richard III was the last Englishman. | Hear Hear, but unfortunately the said kind what ever they were after Bosworth I think they called themselves royal. Check out the family tree it is quiet funny that they did seem to think they did have a claim to the throne. How I do not know can someone care to tell me please.
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December 21st, 2011, 03:10 PM
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#39 | | Misanthropologist
Joined: Aug 2010 From: Wales Posts: 8,461 | Quote:
Originally Posted by Crystal Rainbow Hear Hear, but unfortunately the said kind what ever they were after Bosworth I think they called themselves royal. Check out the family tree it is quiet funny that they did seem to think they did have a claim to the throne. How I do not know can someone care to tell me please. |
Henry VII through his mothers line (the Beaufort's going back to John of Gaunt) descended from Edward III
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December 21st, 2011, 03:14 PM
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#40 | | Suspended indefinitely
Joined: Dec 2011 From: UK Posts: 1,209 | Quote:
Originally Posted by Von Ranke I have no dispute with you over that but at the end of the day it was the Scots themselves who accepted the bribes and with it the union but a volountary union no matter how corrupt is not the same as annexation. As far as I am aware there was no threat of a military takeover by England if the Scots rejected the union. | There's no doubt it would have come, had the Scots rejected the Hanoverian succession.
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