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Old February 2nd, 2013, 04:06 AM   #151
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Doina frome Romania region Transilvania: Bela Bartok discovered the doina in Northern Transylvania in 1912 and he believed it to be uniquely Romanian. Doina is still, however, common in the repertoire of the lăutari from Ardeal and Banat regions.

Dimitrie Cantemir mentions "Doina" in his "Descriptio Moldaviae" among a series of old pre-Christian (Dacian) deities, persistent in popular oral tradition, noticing that "Doina, Doina" is a starting phrase incantation in many folk songs.
Most importantly, it is a Romanian word which translates into "shepherd's lament" or "shepherd's longing", which helps explain why doinas can be very melancholy, but have melodies that are rather poignant and heartfelt.

In 1976 Gheorge Zamfir found popular success in the English-speaking world when the BBC religious television programme The Light of Experience adopted his recording of "Doina De Jale" as its theme. Popular demand forced Epic Records to release the tune as a single and it climbed to number four on the UK charts.

In 2009 the doina has been included in the UNESCO list of Intangible Cultural Heritage.

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Old February 2nd, 2013, 05:13 AM   #153
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First, in Transylvania live only about 20% hungarians, today and in 1918 also, so ethnical it is romanian!
It is still multiethnic, visit it once. In 1910 55% were Romanian, 34% Hungarian, 9 % German + other smaller ethnicities so back then it was even more so. Unfortunetly the Saxons totally disappeared but their legacy still live there in some beautiful towns.

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Second, in the hungarian kingdom Transylvania was allways an autonomous principality, ruled by a Prince (or Voievod) this came from the marriage between the hungarian king Arpad and the rumanian duke of Transylvania, Menumorut's doughter Ileana in the Xth century
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if anything Transylvania's predecessor was the Hungarian Gyula's territory. Menumorut was a fictional character in Anonymous' Gesta Hungarorum but even according to that book he was 1. duke of Bihar (that is outside the territory of historical Transylvania) and 2. nowhere are Romanians mentioned in relation to him and the people who inhabited his land according to Anonymous were explicitly called Khazar, 3. Arpad was not king 4. according to Anonymous one of Arpad's son's married his daughter 5. nowhere is the daughter's name mentioned. Have you actually read it?

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and even the turks after the battle of Mohacs, when the kingdom of Hungary became a turkish pashalyk, Transylvania remained a principality, vasal to the turks, like Wallachia and Moldavia. In the year 1600 was a part of the prince Michael the Brave kingdom, when all the 3 rumanian principalities were united for the first time after ancient Dacia.
after the battle of Mohacs Hungary fell to 2parts, one group of nobles elected Ferdinand from Habsburg dynasty to king of Hungary while another group John Szapolyai (the second one being Ottoman puppet).
In 1541 did the country fell to 3 parts, Habsburg controlled Royal Hungary in the north and west, king John Sigismund controlled eastern part of Hungary (that also included Transylvania) and the central parts annexed by Ottomans. From John Sigismund dominium developed the semi independent Transylvanian principality with 1570/71 treaty of Speyer (between Habsburgs and John Sigismund). Treaty of Speyer (1570) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia but it included a larger territory than the previous voivodship of Transylvania (+the partes regni Hungariae
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Michael the Brave was never a king, under him for a few month there was personal union between Transylvania, Moldova and Wallachia but the 3 were not merged and it was only the 19th century Romanian historigraphy that created the myth of united Romania out of it for the first time. Michael was anything but a Romanian nationalist ))

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But thats was only till 1918 when the people of Transylvania has voted for union with Romania.
there was never any plebiscite where the people of Transylvania could vote.

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But the main fact is that the majority of the population from Transylvania, was, are and will be the romanians. The ruins from Sarmisegetuza Regia are the proof for this!
You all have to go there (although are so destroyd roads), it's incredible!
That Sarmisegetuza that until 1941 was called in Romanian as "Gradiste" (Slavic word meaning Castle place)? Another strong proof of Daco-Romanian continouity )

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Administrative map in the beginning of 16th century (before the battle of Mohács):

Országhatár= country border
Országrészhatár= country part border (that red line showing the border of the Transylvanian voivodship within Hungary, that is historical Transylvania)
Megye ill. székhatár=county and chair borders (chairs or latin "sedes" were administrative units within the Székely and Saxon autonomies)
Mai országhatár=the country border today (the green line)

Székelyek földje=lands of the Székelys
Szászok földje=lands of the Saxons
Fehér megye=Fehér/Alba county


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The Apuseni Nature Park (Parcul Natural Apuseni) - known as the cavers' paradise - protects one of the most interesting cave fauna in Romania.
As opposed to other mountain areas, the Apuseni Mountains are populated up to high altitudes, with permanent and quasi-permanent dwellings.


Beatifull land of Romania, Ardeal. We are very proud about the splendor of Transilvania and want to protect it for the further generations. Awsome Video.

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First, in Transylvania live only about 20% hungarians, today and in 1918 also, so ethnical it is romanian!
Second, in the hungarian kingdom Transylvania was allways an autonomous principality, ruled by a Prince (or Voievod), this came from the marriage between the hungarian king Arpad and the rumanian duke of Transylvania, Menumorut's doughter Ileana in the Xth century, and even the turks after the battle of Mohacs, when the kingdom of Hungary became a turkish pashalyk, Transylvania remained a principality, vasal to the turks, like Wallachia and Moldavia. In the year 1600 was a part of the prince Michael the Brave kingdom, when all the 3 rumanian principalities were united for the first time after ancient Dacia.
In Austrian Kaiserreich after 1711, Transylvania was a separate province with its own governor untill 1867 when was to the Hungary in administration given. But thats was only till 1918 when the people of Transylvania has voted for union with Romania.
But the main fact is that the majority of the population from Transylvania, was, are and will be the romanians. The ruins from Sarmisegetuza Regia are the proof for this!
You all have to go there (although are so destroyed roads), it's incredible!
Read the related articles about Transylvania in English Britannica, or German Brockhaus encyclopedias. All of your numbers and statements are false.

Only 53% was Romanian in Transylvania in 1910.

"was allways an autonomous principality" Really? Transylvania sent members to the Hungarian parliament, and was integral part of the medieval Hungarian kingdom. "Principality"? What? It was voivodine until the 1600s, when Habsburg as Kings of Hungary gave them the title of prince.

It was always belongs to Kingdom of Hungary, as the foundation letter of the Transylvanian state show: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Speyer_(1570))

The Daco-Romanian theory is not generally accepted by western historians and encyclopedias. Therefore in western encyclopedias both the official daco-roman myth and the Vlach migration theory (from the balkans in the 12th century) are represented.



The people's self determination (idea of president Wilson) did not happened in Kingdom of Hungary after WW1, because: The successor states protested against the helding of democratic referendums (universal suffrge secret ballots) about the disputed areas and borders. (perhaps the leader elite of the successor states did not trust in their own ethnic groups???)


There was only 1 democratic plebiscite about the borders (with universal suffrage and secret ballots) in city of Sopron and its surrounding 8 villages in North-Western Hungary in 1921. (Where every polling stations were under the control and leadership of Entente army-officers) The treaty of Trianon did not based on the people' will (democratic referendums), therefore the Treaty hadn't legitimacy behind it. The decision-making of Paris treaties were remindful of early-modern era primitive Peace of Westphalia, rather than a modern 20th century democratic decision.

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Cluj-Napoca - The Heart of Transilvania

City Cluj-Napoca:The Roman Empire conquered Dacia in AD 101 and 106, during the rule of Trajan, and the Roman settlement Napoca, established thereafter, is first recorded on a milestone discovered in 1758 in the vicinity of the city.Trajan's successor Hadrian granted Napoca the status of municipium as municipium Aelium Hadrianum Napocenses. Later, in the 2nd century AD, the city gained the status of a colonia as Colonia Aurelia Napoca. Napoca became a provincial capital of Dacia Porolissensis and thus the seat of a procurator

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Read the related articles about Transylvania in English Britannica, or German Brockhaus encyclopedias. All of your numbers and statements are false.

Only 53% was Romanian in Transylvania in 1910.

"was allways an autonomous principality" Really? Transylvania sent members to the Hungarian parliament, and was integral part of the medieval Hungarian kingdom. "Principality"? What? It was voivodine until the 1600s, when Habsburg as Kings of Hungary gave them the title of prince.

It was always belongs to Kingdom of Hungary, as the foundation letter of the Transylvanian state show: Treaty of Speyer (1570) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

The Daco-Romanian theory is not generally accepted by western historians and encyclopedias. Therefore in western encyclopedias both the official daco-roman myth and the Vlach migration theory (from the balkans in the 12th century) are represented.



The people's self determination (idea of president Wilson) did not happened in Kingdom of Hungary after WW1, because: The successor states protested against the helding of democratic referendums (universal suffrge secret ballots) about the disputed areas and borders. (perhaps the leader elite of the successor states did not trust in their own ethnic groups???)


There was only 1 democratic plebiscite about the borders (with universal suffrage and secret ballots) in city of Sopron and its surrounding 8 villages in North-Western Hungary in 1921. (Where every polling stations were under the control and leadership of Entente army-officers) The treaty of Trianon did not based on the people' will (democratic referendums), therefore the Treaty hadn't legitimacy behind it. The decision-making of Paris treaties were remindful of early-modern era primitive Peace of Westphalia, rather than a modern 20th century democratic decision.
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OK, I have in front of my eyes the Times Atlas of World History 1994, Times Books, London (page 166-167) and Der Große Bildatlas der Weltgeschichte, Unipart-Verlag GmbH Stuttgart 1995 (pages 518-519) and they shows and says that after 1541 Transylvania (Siebenbürgen) is vassal to the ''Osmanisches Reiches''.
About the Transylvanian autonomy, what can more to be said: principality or ''Voievodat'' is the same and Voievod Iancu of Huniady (from the romanian-origins noble family of Corvin) or also John Zapollya (I don't know if is correct) did use the army of Transylvania to fight, first against the Turks and second against the Georgy Dojsa paeasants army. And what I also read is that Transylvania has allways own Diet as a parliament, maybe all the histories 'lies'...but then I do the same. And about the populations before the 1WW, that most of actually Transylvania was enhabitated by the romanians (page 544) only center are the szekely and saxons, so...
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You can all go to discut origin of romanians frome Transilvania her http://www.historum.com/european-his...romanians.html. Stop whit this ridiculos discution on this topic.

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