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December 29th, 2011, 10:40 AM
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#1 | | Archivist
Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 222 | Coffin portrait
Since the 16'th century the nobility from Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth had a custom to order a portrait of themselfs to be put on their coffin during their burial.
Where did they find their inspiration?
Did it have any spiritual meaning?
And why? Crypt of the Opaliński family | | |
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December 29th, 2011, 10:55 AM
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#2 | | Epicurean
Joined: Mar 2009 From: Texas Posts: 23,841 |
This is fascinating. Hope to read more.
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December 29th, 2011, 11:05 AM
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#3 | | Archivist
Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 222 | Quote:
Originally Posted by tjadams This is fascinating. Hope to read more. | Indeed it is
The only ones i can think of that were also using coffin portraits were the egyptians. But that was way back in time, and i dont think that you can link Egypt to the Polish-Lithuanian traditions.
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December 29th, 2011, 02:30 PM
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#4 | | Idiot of the year 2011
Joined: Mar 2008 From: Damned England Posts: 6,301 |
I've never heard of this custom before. But I do know that medieval rich people would have their effigy on their tombstone, sometimes as a statue, sometimes just carved in stone as an outline. There was a style which was a two tier tomb, with a statue of the healthy person on top, and below this was a haggard, skeletal and ill representation of the person.
But this is nothing compared to what they got up to in Palermo, Italy.
The Kings Capuchins catacombs was originally for monks, but the fashion spread. Corpses would be dressed and hung from the walls as if alive. Row upon row.
Don't look if you're easily shocked: King's Capuchins' Catacombs Corpses of Palermo | | |
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December 30th, 2011, 03:39 AM
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#5 | | Archivist
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Originally Posted by Black Dog I've never heard of this custom before. | Neither did i untill an old relative to me told me about it a couple of months ago. It's a really nice tradition in my opinion, i wonder why it died out though... Quote:
Originally Posted by Black Dog But I do know that medieval rich people would have their effigy on their tombstone, sometimes as a statue, sometimes just carved in stone as an outline. There was a style which was a two tier tomb, with a statue of the healthy person on top, and below this was a haggard, skeletal and ill representation of the person. | Yea pretty much standard in Europe. But i think it was reserved for the benefactors who helped to build a church were they were later buried, and the kings ofc. Quote:
Originally Posted by Black Dog But this is nothing compared to what they got up to in Palermo, Italy.
The Kings Capuchins catacombs was originally for monks, but the fashion spread. Corpses would be dressed and hung from the walls as if alive. Row upon row.
Don't look if you're easily shocked: King's Capuchins' Catacombs Corpses of Palermo | Nasty | |
Last edited by Magnate; December 30th, 2011 at 04:00 AM.
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December 30th, 2011, 03:43 AM
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#6 | | Man in the Box ¤ Blog of the Year ¤
Joined: Oct 2009 From: Baltimorean-in-exile Posts: 16,608 |
The Romans did the same thing, and I have also seen it in America.
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December 30th, 2011, 03:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Salah The Romans did the same thing, and I have also seen it in America. | Interesting. I know that many nobles from the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth saw themselfs as successors of the Roman Empire, hence the reason why they called themselfs citizens of the PLC realm.
There might be a connection between them, but this is just my own theory for now.
Did the Indians also use some kinda portraits for their burial?
Edit:
Sorry for my ignorance about America, did you mean the indians? :P
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Last edited by Magnate; December 30th, 2011 at 04:22 AM.
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December 30th, 2011, 07:51 AM
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#8 | | Idiot of the year 2011
Joined: Mar 2008 From: Damned England Posts: 6,301 |
There's a region in China (the Dong people) where, not long after a child is born, the parents choose a "coffin tree" for the child. The child is encouraged to look after the tree, and eventually (in the person's old age) the tree is cut down and made into a coffin. It is brightly painted and often elaborately carved.
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December 31st, 2011, 03:37 AM
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#9 | | Archivist
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Originally Posted by Black Dog There's a region in China (the Dong people) where, not long after a child is born, the parents choose a "coffin tree" for the child. The child is encouraged to look after the tree, and eventually (in the person's old age) the tree is cut down and made into a coffin. It is brightly painted and often elaborately carved. | Interesting
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December 31st, 2011, 05:10 AM
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#10 | | Idiot of the year 2011
Joined: Mar 2008 From: Damned England Posts: 6,301 |
There's not a great deal out there, but this article has a photo gallery (top left) that shows a mother and child at the coffin tree and also ready made Dong coffins. You can see how elaborately shaped they are. Guizhou Village - National Geographic Magazine | | |
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