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View Poll Results: What is in you opinion Napoleon's best Marshal?
- Louis Alexandre Berthier 0 0%
- Joachim Murat 3 7.89%
- Bon Adrien Jeannot de Moncey 0 0%
- Jean-Baptiste Jourdan 0 0%
- André Masséna 3 7.89%
- Pierre Francois Charles Augereau 0 0%
- Jean Baptiste Jules Bernadotte 1 2.63%
- Guillaume Marie Anne Brune 0 0%
- Jean de Dieu Soult 2 5.26%
- Jean Lannes 4 10.53%
- Édouard Adolphe Casimir Joseph Mortier 0 0%
- Michel Ney 7 18.42%
- Louis Nicolas Davout 12 31.58%
- Jean-Baptiste Bessičres 0 0%
- Francois Christophe de Kellermann 0 0%
- Francois Joseph Lefebvre 0 0%
- Dominique Catherine de Pérignon 0 0%
- Jean-Mathieu-Philibert Sérurier 0 0%
- Claude Victor 0 0%
- Jacques MacDonald 1 2.63%
- Nicolas Charles Oudinot 0 0%
- Auguste Frédéric Louis Viesse de Marmont 1 2.63%
- Louis Gabriel Suchet 2 5.26%
- Laurent de Gouvion Saint-Cyr 0 0%
- Józef Antoni Poniatowski 2 5.26%
- Emmanuel de Grouchy 0 0%
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Old February 2nd, 2012, 03:08 PM   #41

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I wonder if people just vote Nay because he is the most well known.
probobly, its hard to read of any campaign without Nay making an impression as he was always in the thick of the action. i don't really now much on the men themselves yet i think About is normally regarded as the best and he certainly did do an amazing job at Jena were he deserves great credit for the end result. napoleon on st Helena said of Nay that none could be braver yet he lacked any brains at all and you see that a lot in his battles were he would get to wrapped up in the fighting and lose sight of the big picture. i can't remember what battle this was but it was definitely in the 1813 campaign, maybe battle of Dresden?, Nay when leading his troops saw heavy fighting in the distance and rushed there for the chance for a good fight and thus did not complete the maneuver napoleon had ordered which meant napoleons victory was not as complete as it could have been. you then have his failure to press on the british before they could organise there forces during the waterloo campaign while Napoleon was busy fighting the Prussians.
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I ended up voting for Lannes. If I could have, I would have voted for Davout also. They were both the best of the best. But where Davout had a military education and started his military career as an officer, Lannes was the son of a stable boy who joined Napoleon's army as a private. He was bold and absolutely fearless but without being reckless, and he was a quick learner who rose to become a superb general and marshal. He performed brilliantly in the 1800 crossing of the Alps, at Friedland and at Saragossa to name a few. Napoleon said of him "Lannes' bravery was greater than his intellect; but his intellect improved every day, endeavoring to reach a balance; I met him a pygmy, I lost him a giant."

He was wounded in battle 13 times, the unlucky 13th at Aspern in 1809, being fatal. At Arcola he was severely wounded twice and taken from the field, but when he heard that Napoleon was in trouble the next day, he returned to the field where he was wounded again. He died in battle at his peak, and there's no telling how things might have been different had he lived.
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probobly, its hard to read of any campaign without Nay making an impression as he was always in the thick of the action. i don't really now much on the men themselves yet i think About is normally regarded as the best and he certainly did do an amazing job at Jena were he deserves great credit for the end result. napoleon on st Helena said of Nay that none could be braver yet he lacked any brains at all and you see that a lot in his battles were he would get to wrapped up in the fighting and lose sight of the big picture. i can't remember what battle this was but it was definitely in the 1813 campaign, maybe battle of Dresden?, Nay when leading his troops saw heavy fighting in the distance and rushed there for the chance for a good fight and thus did not complete the maneuver napoleon had ordered which meant napoleons victory was not as complete as it could have been. you then have his failure to press on the british before they could organise there forces during the waterloo campaign while Napoleon was busy fighting the Prussians.
Napoleon appreciated Marshal Ney for his courage however, Napoleon once remarked " I cannot think of a more couragous individual, but he is a little short on grey matter". Ney could not be trusted to take tactical or strategic descisions, he had no head for it. His fall out with Napoleon over the "Iron cage" buisiness was forgotten for the waterloo campaign, but if the gamble had suceeded, Ney would not have lasted long with the Emporer.
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Davout of course...
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I wonder who voted Soult.
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I voted for André Masséna, he was in my opinion Napeoleon's best general

It was unfortunate for him to face the even more brilliant Duke of Wellington.
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I voted for André Masséna, he was in my opinion Napeoleon's best general

It was unfortunate for him to face the even more brilliant Duke of Wellington.
I think Wellington is overrated to a certain extent, although he never lost a battle, his battles were all defensive.
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I think Wellington is overrated to a certain extent, although he never lost a battle, his battles were all defensive.
The Battle of Assaye was defensive?

I don't think that fighting defensive battles is a negative thing, it means that he used the terrain very well. A general wise enough to use a reverse slope when he sees one deserves some credit. He was also a good logistician.
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The Battle of Assaye was defensive?

I don't think that fighting defensive battles is a negative thing, it means that he used the terrain very well. A general wise enough to use a reverse slope when he sees one deserves some credit. He was also a good logistician.
Assaye was in India against indians (whose dicipline under fire was questionable). I did not mean that his battles were Negative, just that he was reluctant to fight offensively against the French. So although your correct, he had yet to prove himself against a defensive french army.
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Assaye was in India against indians (whose dicipline under fire was questionable). I did not mean that his battles were Negative, just that he was reluctant to fight offensively against the French. So although your correct, he had yet to prove himself against a defensive french army.
The forces of the Maratha Confederacy were trained by European officers but it is indeed quite evident that they were of dubious quality. Still, Assaye was a tremendous achievement considering the difference in numbers between the two sides and the uncharacteristic reckless approach of Wellington during that battle.

Also, his reluctance to fight offensive battle was part of his strategy which had to be cautious since his resources were very limited(unlike his French counterparts) and he couldn't afford to risk huge losses.

However, he did have some successful offensive battles against the French such as Salamanca(arguably his greatest battle) and the Second Battle of Oporto.

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