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Old April 22nd, 2012, 09:53 AM   #111

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Britain of course, the rest were all foreigners
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Old June 12th, 2012, 01:58 AM   #112
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Everybody seems to be critisizing the French as a colonial power yet in Niall Ferguson's book on dominance of the west he specifically highlights the French as being one of the best colonial powers, especially in North Africa
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Everybody seems to be critisizing the French as a colonial power yet in Niall Ferguson's book on dominance of the west he specifically highlights the French as being one of the best colonial powers, especially in North Africa
You will find that Niall Ferguson is quite controversial, perhaps not the best writer to start with if you are studying colonial history.
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Old June 12th, 2012, 02:26 AM   #114

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And Finland ? Was Finland a Russian colony or not ? And Poland ?? Was Poland the Russian colony or not ? I say :

'Yes, they were !'

In the same way as the Ukraine was.
And Wales?Is it an English colony or not? And Corsica? Is it a French colony or not? And Crimea? Is it a Ukrainian colony or not? I say:

'Yes, they are !'
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I vote the Belgians as the worst.

And the Italians weren't all that successful at actually building a colonial empire.
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Old June 12th, 2012, 04:39 AM   #116

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However, they did a good job in Libya and Ethiopia. I mean, after the war of conquest. Prince Amedeo did very well in Ethiopia, where many modern, useful infrastructures and urban planings are still Italian.
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Old November 14th, 2012, 03:27 AM   #117
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By what measure?


In this please also read The Middle Passage by VS Naipaul, who does a fascinating comparison of the way several colonising nations treated the West Indian region of which he is native (albeit not aboriginal )
The discussion about who were the worst colonialists is relevant enough to deserve a definition as to what can be regarded as "good" and "bad" colonisation.
Also: Colonised for what? Economic wealth (e.g Holland/Indonesia) or populating a region with your own people (e.g. England/Australia) or even naked greed (the Belgian king/Congo)
If we measure "only" the time-frame from the 17th to the 19th century, where nations scrambled across the globe to acquire more wealth for their motherlands (or, as in the case of Belgium and the Congo, provide the exclusive hunting ground for the king), I suggest to look closely at the way the colony was left behind (if at all...) in the post-colonial era.
The British and the Dutch seem to have treated "their"' colonies mostly as economic resources, and were usually only extremely unpleasant to the "locals" if these hampered the harvesting of these resources. The Spanish, Portuguese and the French seem to have taken a more "culturally evangelistic"' approach, insisting that local inhabitants take on the language and culture of their overlords.
As to legacy: ex-British, Dutch, French and Spanish colonies were depleted of their resources but left behind with some form of viable nationhood. The Portuguese less so, actively practising a scorched-earth policy in most of the regions they were forced to leave behind. The Germans were rather late in the colonising game, but took to Sub Saharan Africa with the vigour typical of the late-comer, even to the point of "manufacturing" a sub-race in Ruanda and Burundi (where before the Hutu and the Tutsi were one race)in order to divide-and-rule from a safe distance.
England or Germany? The Angles and the Saxons simply crowded out the original inhabitants of the British Isles; yet they themselves had before been crowded out of what is now Germany by the Huns/Goths/whathaveyous.
Cruelty towards the vanquished is one of mankinds most salient habits, and not limited to one nation, people or race
Colonisation was a bad thing, no question.
Please can we have some considered views from those who consider themselves the colonised?
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Old November 14th, 2012, 03:55 AM   #118

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I don't think any Colonial power treated their colonies better....

Only the English were smarter than others...they allowed some degree of freedom, and didn't completely strangle some of the colonies (on the cultural and administration sides)....I believe it was a good policy to minize conflicts.
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Old November 14th, 2012, 04:34 AM   #119
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The Saxons or Jutes for the best.

The Normans for the worst.


Generalisations over the for the day
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Old November 14th, 2012, 04:36 AM   #120
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I vote the Belgians as the worst.

And the Italians weren't all that successful at actually building a colonial empire.
For any reason (intuition?) one may guess that you may not be Belgian...

Naturally, an analogous guess could be made on virtually any other poster voting on any candidate here.

On the other hand, one may be wrong; it's just a guess.

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