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Old October 21st, 2015, 05:13 AM   #1021
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name_of_Romania

now what? you'll commit suicide?
should we understand in Turkey too they teach children Romania and Romanian terms were created in 19 cnt?
No. I am just astonished.
Why the Romanians waited for more then 300 years before officially renaming their state and their language "Romanian"?
The same thing will be if our French friends suddenly decide to rename their state “France” to “Gaul”, because some foreign traveler 400 years ago mention that he talked to some people somewhere in the French Alps, who called themselves “Gaul” and spoke “Gaulish”?

(It is true that the French actually do not speak the language of the Germanics Franks. And their state "France" is not a state of Franks. Isn’t it?)

Any French here, please!

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No. I am just astonished.
Why the Romanians waited for more then 300 years before officially renaming their state and their language "Romanian"?
Waited 300 years since then? How is Wallachia called in the oldest "reliably dated" preserved Romanian text: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neac%C8%99u's_letter?
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Old October 21st, 2015, 05:22 AM   #1023

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No. I am just astonished.
Why the Romanians waited for more then 300 years before officially renaming their state and their language "Romanian"?
The same thing will be if our French friends suddenly decide to rename their state “France” to “Gaul”, because some foreign traveler 400 years ago mention that he talked to some people somewhere in the French Alps, who called themselves “Gaul” and spoke “Gaulish”?

(It is true that the French actually do not speak the language of the Germanics Franks. And their state "France" is not a state of Franks. Isn’t it?)

Any French here, please!
hell knows what you mean...are you drunk?
Your initial question was:

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Can you provide a single document from the Middle Ages where some Latin language was called “Romanian”?
Wherever, whenever, my friend - like in the song of beautiful Shakira!
at least you are clarified in Romanian (language) term?

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Old October 21st, 2015, 07:11 AM   #1024
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- Kalopetru: emperor of vlachs and the most part of Bulgarians, or simply emperor of the vlachs
What I found in Internet on this issue:
1. The letter of Bulgar Kalopetru to the Pope (May 1203): The letter begins:
Kalopetru Emperor of Bulgarians to the Most Holy Lord and Patriarch, the Roman Pope of Christian faith from East to West.”
Not even a word about “Vlachs”.
Further:
I Kalopetru Emperor of Bulgarians understand that you have been given by God the power to bind and unbind like the blessed apostle Peter……”
No Vlachs here, so far.

2. Edict of Kalopetru (September 1203):
“Because I pleased our Lord to elevate me as Lord and Emperor of the whole Bulgaria and Valachia I made an inquiry in the writings and books of our forefathers and in the laws of out predecessors – the Tsars now resting in blessed peace from where did they received the Tsardom of Bulgaria and the confirmation of their tsar’s titles…….. ”
Further in the document the expression “Bulgaria and Valachia” is mentioned twice in this sequence.

3. Letter of Bulgar Kalopetru to the Pope (September 1203):
Although in the letter we always see the expression “Bulgaria and Valachia”, the letter ends with the phrase:
"Kalupetru Emperor of Bulgaria".
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That’s interesting. I have no idea if such a document exists, but…… However…..

Can you provide a single document from the Middle Ages where some Latin language was called “Romanian”?
Wherever, whenever, my friend - like in the song of beautiful Shakira!
There are so many I don't know where to start:

The letter from Neacșu din Cîmpulung adressed to Hanăș Bengner of Brasov (1521)

Tens of lawbooks, chronicles, state orders, etc

Michael the Brave's law-orders (1595); Law of The Holy Apostles (1560); Law of The Holy Fathers by The Teachings of The Great Vasile (1560-1580); The ''Well-chosen'' law of the chronicler Eustratie (1632); Lawbook of Govora (1640); etc

How about we go back to the ''Dacians and extinction'' conversation we had, conversation you abandoned when I started the cite official roman history written by romans in those exact days, history that clearly says the vast majority of the dacians were unharmed and just fine ?
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There are so many I don't know where to start:

The letter from Neacșu din Cîmpulung adressed to Hanăș Bengner of Brasov (1521)

Tens of lawbooks, chronicles, state orders, etc

Michael the Brave's law-orders (1595); Law of The Holy Apostles (1560); Law of The Holy Fathers by The Teachings of The Great Vasile (1560-1580); The ''Well-chosen'' law of the chronicler Eustratie (1632); Lawbook of Govora (1640); etc

How about we go back to the ''Dacians and extinction'' conversation we had, conversation you abandoned when I started the cite official roman history written by romans in those exact days, history that clearly says the vast majority of the dacians were unharmed and just fine ?
The two LGBTQ Turkish guys on this board, Evo and Afrasiyab, seem to have an obsession for making baseless and malicious comments re: Romanians and Romania.

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Old October 21st, 2015, 07:35 AM   #1027

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No. I am just astonished.
Why the Romanians waited for more then 300 years before officially renaming their state and their language "Romanian"?
The same thing will be if our French friends suddenly decide to rename their state “France” to “Gaul”, because some foreign traveler 400 years ago mention that he talked to some people somewhere in the French Alps, who called themselves “Gaul” and spoke “Gaulish”?

Any French here, please!


Romania was split in multiple parts due to geo-political contexts.

The first large romanian entities started appearing in the 13th century (if you don't count the Second Bulgarian Empire which was likely founded and ruled by romanians). They were called Tara Romaneasca (Land of Romanians), Tara Romaneasca a Moldovei ( Romanian Land of Moldova) and Ardeal ( wasn't an united political entity tho, it means Forest Mountain in latin, if I remember well) + other smaller bits.

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The country wasn't called Romania because it didn't exist, but all parts were inhabited by romanians and most had ''of Romanians'' in their name.

When these larger bits united, free from hungarian tyranny and ottoman/russian influence, the name Romania was the obvious choice since our people always used the word ''romanian'' as our name.

Please bother reading 15 minutes on the subject before commenting on a history forum.

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Old October 21st, 2015, 07:37 AM   #1028

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The two LGBTQ Turkish guys on this board, Evo and Afrasiyab, seem to have an obsession for making baseless and malicious comments re: Romanians and Romania.
Definitely. I wonder why, do the turks teach their kids in school stuff like that or what ?

Not sure, this guy Evo hasn't bothered reading 10 minutes about these subjects. He literally believes the romans exterminated every people they came over in the same way americans exterminated the native indians.
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The two LGBTQ Turkish guys on this board, Evo and Afrasiyab, seem to have an obsession for making baseless and malicious comments re: Romanians and Romania.
I was in Turkey: they are many like them! Usually they claim&quote Bulgarian ultranationalist works, or even Hungarian. Possible is a kind of resentments over Romanian anti-ottoman past. And Turkey itself is full of pseudo-historians, at a range will make bulgarian and Hungarian ultranationalists jealous. Their mystifications of Armenian genocide till madness, and common sense injuring are famous

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Possible is a kind of resentments over Romanian anti-ottoman past.
Perhaps.
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