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Old May 5th, 2012, 11:22 AM   #11

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I am actually interested in Dacian substratum in Romanian to be precise. I have read several things about it in the past.
here is a list of posible dacian words:
[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Romanian_words_of_possible_Dacian_origin]List of Romanian words of possible Dacian origin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
But the supposed dacian words are, in fact called the words with unknown origin(non latin, slavic, germanic, turanic, magyar...)
On the other hand, dacians in 100 AD spoken probable a very different language fron dacian in 100 BC, because of the asimilation of many celts, germanics(bastarnae), scythians, after Burebista
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Old May 5th, 2012, 11:42 AM   #12

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here is a list of posible dacian words:
List of Romanian words of possible Dacian origin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
But the supposed dacian words are, in fact called the words with unknown origin(non latin, slavic, germanic, turanic, magyar...)
On the other hand, dacians in 100 AD spoken probable a very different language fron dacian in 100 BC, because of the asimilation of many celts, germanics(bastarnae), scythians, after Burebista
Many of them are clearly Indo-European like groapă, baltă,gard etc. I could guess them before reading the translation. What is adămană though? Does it have anything to do with a relative, family member e.g brother, friend or similar?
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What is adămană though? Does it have anything to do with a relative, family member e.g brother, friend or similar?
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ademeni is from the Hungarian adomány that comes from Uralic (ad-to give). Most of the supposed Dacian words should be rather called Thracian, as Dacian was likely a sub specie of Thracian but it isnt known where did these words enter Romanian, south or north of the Danube.

Anyways Dexonline is a good Romanian site for etymologies, it uses various sources.

The Romanian cioban comes from Turkish çoban, that in turn comes from Persian
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cioc beak Hasdeu, Vraciu Cf. Albanian çok (hammer, knuckle). Compare with the Bulgarian word човка (chovka/ciovca) with the same meaning (bill, beak).
this also rather show a Turkic origin, sok Altaic "to hit, harm", Turkic " to hit, beat, crush"
from there also came Hungarian csákány "pickaxe" and a personal name Csák

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I meant like a historical summary, so that people can have an idea when reading this thread. I am actually interested in Dacian substratum in Romanian to be precise. I have read several things about it in the past.
Do you need information about the Romanian language history or information which describes Romanian language? Re: the Dacian substratum, principally there are mainly a lot of suppositions, what Dacian would have looked it is still more a question of guess. It's more the things like Balkan linguistic union, some words we have in common with Albanian etc., but don't expect too much if this is your reason to be interested in Romanian language. Anyway, I recommend you this board: SOLTDM.com • Index page. BTW, you can freely post in English there, even if the principal language of the forum is Romanian. That is a forum mainly re: Daco-Moesian language(s), how they looked like.

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ademeni is from the Hungarian adomány that comes from Uralic (ad-to give). Most of the supposed Dacian words should be rather called Thracian, as Dacian was likely a sub specie of Thracian but it isnt known where did these words enter Romanian, south or north of the Danube.

Anyways Dexonline is a good Romanian site for etymologies, it uses various sources.

The Romanian cioban comes from Turkish çoban, that in turn comes from Persian
çoban
That is not a serious list, don't look in Wikipedia, just discuss on the board whose link I posted above, if you are really interested. The man who owns the board is one of our best specialist in this regard.
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That is not a serious list, don't look in Wikipedia, just discuss on the board whose link I posted above, if you are really interested. The man who owns the board is one of our best specialist in this regard.

oh ok, thanks i will check it out
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Old May 5th, 2012, 12:22 PM   #18

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Ok, thanks! My thought was not random though.

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Most of the supposed Dacian words should be rather called Thracian, as Dacian was likely a sub specie of Thracian but it isnt known where did these words enter Romanian, south or north of the Danube.
The question is if Thracian was one language or a group of languages. E.g did the Kikones speak the same language as the Getae?

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Anyways Dexonline is a good Romanian site for etymologies, it uses various sources.
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Do you need information about the Romanian language history or information which presents Romanian language?
I was thinking both. History, development, comparison to standard Latin...

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Re: the Dacian substratum, principally there are mainly a lot of suppositions, what Dacian would have looked it is still more a question of guess. It's more the things like Balkan linguistic union, some words we have in common with Albanian etc., but don't expect too much if this is your reason to be interested in Romanian language. Anyway, I recommend you this board: SOLTDM.com • Index page. BTW, you can freely post in English there, even if the principal language of the forum is Romanian, that is a forum re: Daco-Moesian language(s), how they looked like.
Thanks for the link!
About Albanian, it is really baffling me what really happened and there are so many similar words.
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Old May 5th, 2012, 12:25 PM   #19

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I recommend you this board: SOLTDM.com • Index page. BTW, you can freely post in English there, even if the principal language of the forum is Romanian. That is a forum mainly re: Daco-Moesian language(s), how they looked like.
Now I saw it was Sorin Olteanu's forum. I have been reading his stuff a lot! He is trustworthy I feel.
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About Albanian, it is really baffling me what really happened and there are so many similar words.
Do you refer to Romanian? There are relatively few, from where so many? Please keep in mind that a lot of our ancestors were shepherds, like theirs, and the shepherds travel a lot, if you understand what "shepherd" means. You have no idea about what "transhumance" meant, and what a large territory was involved. I am a great-grandson (on direct paternal line) of an Oltenian shepherd shot by the Bulgarians at Turtucaia (in 1916, when my grandfather was aged just a couple of months), so I know what I mean when I say "shepherd", there are still a lot of memories in my extended family (about him, not necessarily about his death).

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