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Old November 10th, 2012, 10:50 AM   #401
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It was used firstly to describe the Byzantine Empire, by it's citizens. The exact pronunciation was Rhomania (Ρωμανία) with the tone in 'i'.
Meaming the romanescue speaking peopels wallachia and moldova or
as the byzaine people of esatern rome?
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It was used firstly to describe the Byzantine Empire, by it's citizens. The exact pronunciation was Rhomania (Ρωμανία) with the tone in 'i'.
I'd be not such sure: there were few regions in Europe called Romania before Bizantines. Anyway, the name Romania is the english variant: the real name is România (by the way, I didn't know that Reggio Romagna was called in the middle age Rumâgna_
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Meaming the romanescue speaking peopels wallachia and moldova or
as the byzaine people of esatern rome?
Meaning the Byzantine Empire as a state.

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I'd be not such sure: there were few regions in Europe called Romania before Bizantines. Anyway, the name Romania is the english variant: the real name is România (by the way, I didn't know that Reggio Romagna was called in the middle age Rumâgna_ Romagna - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)
True, the Carolingians were referring to this area as Romagna.
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depends what you mean by romans. latter dacians could be very well romans as well
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What you mean by "Romans" in such a context, inhabitants of Rome, Italic population? I am convinced that Romanians mostly descend from local populations, perhaps Dacians were actually the principal element, but if you refer to the physical aspect, living in a city inhabited by Romanians who came from all the parts of the country, I can say that physical appearance (stature, eye colour, hair colour, skin tint etc.) varies, we don't look all the same, though obviously there are some more common types.
Sorry, I was not clear and you are right. By Roman I meant actually Italic. Roman in later days could be just about any ethnicity.
My reaction was to the part of similarity with Italians. The distance is not great, but still not the same.
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My reaction was to the part of similarity with Italians. The distance is not great, but still not the same.
It is a source coming from an italian. probably in the middle age they didn't make much differences between diverse ethnicities of the roman empire
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Romania divided in 8 regions. What's your opinion political and problem related to "secui region"?




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bu*****t! i want the capital at curtea de arges, the beggining place
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Way at Curtea de Arges and way not Alba Iulia.

I was pointing about this share of lands:

It will be good for Romania?
It is ok for what's happening in Harghita?

mayor of Miercurea Ciuc (Romanian city) said that all people from that region have the obligation to speak hungarian language ( inclusiv romanians). This is not stupid or what?

Magyar provocation in Romania:


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It was used firstly to describe the Byzantine Empire, by it's citizens. The exact pronunciation was Rhomania (Ρωμανία) with the tone in 'i'.
Correct!

That is because the medieval Byzantine Empire considered itself to be a continuation of the the ancient Roman Empire, not something new.

After all the free men of the Roman Empire were given Roman citizenship by the Constitutio Antoniniana of 212 CE, they were all called "Roman" regardless of their ethnic origin. Thus, the Greek-speaking inhabitants of the eastern part of the Roman Empire began to call themselves "Romans" rather than "hellenes", reserving the name "hellenic" (ellinika) for their language.

Greek-speaking adherents of the Eastern Orthodox Church continued calling themselves "Romanians" right through the medieval period, and indeed right up to the beginning of the 19th Century, when under the influence of Western European Philhellenes they began calling themselves "Hellene" again. Until then, Greek-speaking Christians regarded it as an insult to be called "Hellene", since that name implied that they were pagan idolaters like the pre-Chrisitan ancient Greeks.

The term "Romania" as used by the medieval Byzantine Empire was a territorial designation, meaning the territory that belonged to the Roman Empire, inhabited by Roman citizens. It survived right up to the 20th Century in the form "Rumelia", a diminutive form meaning "smaller part of the Roman territory"; the name referred to present-day Macedonia and southern Bulgaria.

The self-designation of the Greek-speaking eastern Christians as "Romans" was adopted by the Arabs as "Rumi", indicating any Christian. The name was also adopted by the Seljuk Turks, when they called the state they founded in Anatolia the "Sultanate of Rum"; that designation indicated that the Seljuk state was founded on terriotry that had belonged to the Roman Empire.

In the Ottoman Empire, the community of members of the Eastern Orthodox Church was called "Rum Milleti", the community of Romans. That name was given to all Eastern Orthodox Christians in the Ottoman Empire, regardless of their language or ethnicity; thus, Greeks, Bulgars, Vlachs, Serbs, Syrians, were all designated "Rum" by the Ottoman authorities.

Thus it is possible that the self-designation "Arumani" of the people who were called Vlachs by Slavic-speakers is derived from their membership in the Eastern Orthodox Church.

It is likely that the name "Romania" adopted by the kingdom formed out of the union of the Wallachian and Moldavian principalities was a conscious borrowing of the name by which the medieval Christian empire based on Constatinople designated itself.

On another matter, I would like to know if there is any history of the development of the modern Romanian language that is not distorted by political nationalism, whether pro-Rom,anian or anti-Romanian.

I would also be interested to know if there is any impartial, non-nationalistic explanation of why Romanian and its related dialects is the only surviving Romance language in an area where Latin was totally replaced by Slavonic languages, ie in Bulgaria and the former Yugoslavia.
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On another matter, I would like to know if there is any history of the development of the modern Romanian language that is not distorted by political nationalism, whether pro-Rom,anian or anti-Romanian.

I would also be interested to know if there is any impartial, non-nationalistic explanation of why Romanian and its related dialects is the only surviving Romance language in an area where Latin was totally replaced by Slavonic languages, ie in Bulgaria and the former Yugoslavia.
So, do you have also read that it was the result of engeeniering of language in the second half of 19th century and intentional replacing of slavic words with with latin, french or italian?
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