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Old May 7th, 2012, 11:05 PM   #11

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Old May 8th, 2012, 12:59 PM   #12

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Great graphs beorna! Thank you! Where did you find them? are there graphics like that from 33 to 39?
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arms expenditure and national income in billion RM
year - arms expendit. - nat. income - arms expend. in % nat. income
1932 .......0,6..................... 45,2............................ 1,3%
1933 .......0,7..................... 46,5............................ 1,5%
1934 .......4,1..................... 52,8............................ 7,8%
1935 .......5,5..................... 59,1............................ 9,3%
1936 .....10,3..................... 65,8.......................... 15,7%
1937 .....11,0..................... 73,8.......................... 15,0%
1938 .....17,2..................... 82,1.......................... 21,0%
Quelle: Blaich, Fritz: Rüstung und Wirtschaft im Dritten Reich. S. 83

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unemployment and dependant employment
year - unemployed - dependant labour force
1921 ......346.000 ..........19.126.000
1922 ......215.000 ..........20.184.000
1923 ......818.000 ..........20.000.000
1924 ......927.000 ..........19.122.000
1925 ......682.000 ..........20.176.000
1926 ...2.025.000........ ..20.287.000
1927 ...1.312.000 ..........21.207.000
1936 ...1.593.000........ ..21.507.000
1937 ......912.000 ..........22.347.000
1938 ......429.000 ..........23.222.000
1939 ......119.000 ..........24.372.000
1940 ........52.000 ..........58.592.000

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Industrial workers in Germany of 1937 in annual average:
1929: 6,241 Mio.
1932: 3,711 Mio.
1933: 4,113 Mio.
1935: 5,737 Mio.
1937: 6,270 Mio.
1938: 6,914 Mio.
1939: 7,404 Mio.

International comparison (Index 1929 = 100), 1932 to 1939:
Germany: 59,5 to 118%
Danmark: 91,7 to 151,1%
Japan: 82,5 to 155,9
USA: 62,5 to 97,0 (1937: 102,6)
Australia: 74,1 to 125,5

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share of wage bill on national income
1932 60,3%
1939 53,3%
increase of entrepreneur assets and property holdings

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standard wages of industrial workers
skilled workers 101,1 Pfennig (1929) to 79,1 Pfennig (1939)
unskilled workers 79,4 to 62,8 Pfennig.

as well an increase of working hourse

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face value private households
1928 - 1929 - 1933 -1938
72,68 - 73,62 - 47,97 - 75,01 billion RM
wages
42,62 - 43,04 - 25,98 - 42,72 billion RM
independents, trade, business and industries
12,19 - 11,77 - 6,50 - 14,80 billion RM
capital assets
2,78 - 3,26 - 2,29 - 2,95 billion RM
retirement benefits and social benefits
8,43 - 9,12 - 8,40 - 7,61 billion RM

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employment of women
4,6 mill in 1932
4,75 mill. in 1933
5,5 mill. in 1934

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dept........................................percen tage of social product
1933/34 11.8 bill RM ...............................20.2%
1939/40 47.9 bill RM ...............................43.8%
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wow this is exactly what i was looking for! its great thank you very much beorna! Danke!
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for the number of unemployed, cos they are missing in my posting above, for 1928-1936:

1928....1,368million
1929
.......1,899m
1930.......
3,076m
1931.......
4,52m
1932.......
5,575m
1933
.......4,804m
1934.......
2,718m
1935
......2,151 m
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The numbers don't tell the whole stroy, I think.

There are many economic plans which were not worked out by the Nazis but by the previous government. The Nazis just used them and declared it as their own work.

A good example is the myth that the Nazis built the very first highway in Germany. This is wrong;
The very first highway has been built by the later post-war-chancellor Konrad Adenauer when he was still mayor of Cologne in 1932. After 1933, the Nazis downgraded this highway to a country road.

What is also important is the fact that the Nazi economic politics were not stable; this means they spent money for military (and other) infrastructure which they didn't had at this point and hoped to reduce the depts later on by reparations (or plunder) from the defeated enemies.
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While reading these posts I couldn't help but think whether some dictators from ancient times are now glorified while they were as much despised then as hitler now is. Of course a change in morals is also responsible. If you burned down a complete city in for instance Roman times (as was often the case) it was rather normal, you're supposed to punish the insurgents and we still consider commanders using those tactics as 'great persons'. If they do the same 2500 years later you're considered a mass murderer and you'll never be remembered in a positive way... I guess the world changed and so do it's leaders should.
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Old May 9th, 2012, 05:40 AM   #18

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I thought I made it clear enough... but apparently i didn't. I don't need information on what the WW2 caused on human rights, lives, etc. We all know what war causes...
I mean statistics from Germany before Hitler and after Hitler, but before the war. Putting in in years it would be 1930 or 32 to 1939.
The point is that the changes in the German economy resembled the system that preserved prosperity in the West after WW2 - a sort of military Keynesianism. If you want prosperity, prepare for war. The weapons go out of date and have to be jettisoned, so the whole effort is pure waste and doesn't therefore allow your investment to lead to adequate production and the subsequent slump. The permanent arms economy left out Germany and Japan, which spoiled it all, but Hitler's world had none of that nonsense and led to unparallelled destruction. Well, if that's what you want! Leaders aren't really my thing, I'm afraid.
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Substantial gains in unemployment were made every where, you need comparable stats for other economies. I got league of nations stats but direct comparisons hard stats kept differently in each country. (feeling lazy not well formatted for posting ) German had lower lows, but bounced back quicker. But perused different policies from most with greater spending. Ran down gold, foreign reserves. The smashing of unions meant wages were lower in Germany which must of helped.



(world was back to 93% of 1929 employment in 1933, low of 75%)
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First of all, when it comes to economy of the Third Reich, it is not Hitler who made Germany an industrial superpower, but his minister of economics and president of the Reichsbank Hjalmar Schacht, that man was a genius. As for the statistic, in January of 1932 there were 6,041,900 unemployed adults in Germany, seven years later in January of 1939 there were only 301,800 unemployed, and that figure dropped to 33,900 in August of the same year(you have to take in to the count both the demographic changes and the vast number of Germans employed in the Wehrmacht).
I've read that those figures aren't truly trustworthy as Jews and women weren't included within them? I don't know how true this is though.
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