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May 27th, 2012, 12:04 PM
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#21 | | Historian
Joined: Mar 2012 From: Following the breeze Posts: 1,147 | Quote:
Originally Posted by Brisieis I don't agree with your statement, Europe has not been proven to have had more wars than anywhere else. Even tribal communities slaughtered one another over and over again. Where there are groups of people, you will get battles, this has been proven worldwide throughout history.
As long as there is mankind, humans will fight. | Brisieis, I love your Avatar pic  , It's done by Luis Royo, he is prity much my favouret Artist of ALL TIME... I would recognise his works anywhere  ...
Anyhow, getting back to the point, I can defiantly agree with what you are saying here. But, of course I stand to be corrected here, I would believe that Europe's "History of Wars" would be much more elaborate than any other place across the world, because it was recorded in writing, Even if this writing was indirect at times. Where as other Continents my have indeed been involved in endless conflicts but there is no records of these conflicts...
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May 27th, 2012, 12:07 PM
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#22 | | Historian
Joined: Mar 2012 From: Following the breeze Posts: 1,147 | Quote:
Originally Posted by bartieboy I think Africa would have been just as violent...
oh yes and
Globus stinks... | Actually no... Well at least Precolonial Africa. | | |
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May 27th, 2012, 12:08 PM
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#23 | | .
Joined: Dec 2010 From: The Netherlands Posts: 5,167 | Quote:
Originally Posted by The Cell Actually no... Well at least Precolonial Africa.  | Well then I gues the horrific title goes to Europe after all.
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May 27th, 2012, 12:26 PM
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#24 | | Historian
Joined: Mar 2012 From: Following the breeze Posts: 1,147 | Quote:
Originally Posted by bartieboy Well then I gues the horrific title goes to Europe after all. | I don't think so either  , Like I said in my previous post, Europe recorded their wars in some form or another, Thus we know about most of these war, if not all. Where as few other places did the same, thus we will never know of the wars they fought...
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May 27th, 2012, 12:45 PM
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#25 | | bloody
Joined: Apr 2011 From: Sarmatia Posts: 3,591 |
The answer is simple. Because in Europe are Germans and Russians and most of time they spent attacking other people and trying to steal their land.
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May 27th, 2012, 12:53 PM
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#26 | | Historian
Joined: Mar 2012 From: New Amsterdam Posts: 1,668 |
Unlike the rest of the world, Europe (particularly northern Europe) has no defining geographic features that provide for a truly defensible border.
From France to Russia, north of the Carpathians and Alps, there are no major rivers, canyons, mountains, or other features that provide defensible borders. The closest thing to a defining feature is the Rhine, but that isn't anyone's border right now.
Europe's many rivers, peninsulas, and the mountains that form smaller pockets across the continent have created many ethnic groups that often were not contiguous.
Plus with so little land for so many people, people fought over getting whatever they could. That was the reason west Europe went off colony hunting; the European needed more land. That's also why there are such large white societies in the Northern America, the Southern cone, the cape of good hope, Australia, and New Zealand: there wasn't enough room to grow and thrive back home. If the Cape Colony of South Africa had never been federated into South Africa, it would today be seen as being as White and Anglospheric as the UK, US, Canada, Australia, or New Zealand. Odds are, if the age of empires lasted another century, large swathes of Africa in place like Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, Zambia, Zimbabwe, Eritrea, Somalia, Namibia and Kenya would be white majority, just because they were already slated to become settlement colonies and there was no shortage of people in Europe who wanted to leave and get a breath of fresh air.
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May 27th, 2012, 12:59 PM
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#27 | | Archivist
Joined: Jan 2012 From: Land of 10,000 lakes Posts: 193 | Quote:
Originally Posted by WeisSaul Unlike the rest of the world, Europe (particularly northern Europe) has no defining geographic features that provide for a truly defensible border.
From France to Russia, north of the Carpathians and Alps, there are no major rivers, canyons, mountains, or other features that provide defensible borders. The closest thing to a defining feature is the Rhine, but that isn't anyone's border right now.
Europe's many rivers, peninsulas, and the mountains that form smaller pockets across the continent have created many ethnic groups that often were not contiguous.
Plus with so little land for so many people, people fought over getting whatever they could. That was the reason west Europe went off colony hunting; the European needed more land. That's also why there are such large white societies in the Northern America, the Southern cone, the cape of good hope, Australia, and New Zealand: there wasn't enough room to grow and thrive back home. If the Cape Colony of South Africa had never been federated into South Africa, it would today be seen as being as White and Anglospheric as the UK, US, Canada, Australia, or New Zealand. Odds are, if the age of empires lasted another century, large swathes of Africa in place like Algeria, Tunisia, Libya, Zambia, Zimbabwe, Eritrea, Somalia, Namibia and Kenya would be white majority, just because they were already slated to become settlement colonies and there was no shortage of people in Europe who wanted to leave and get a breath of fresh air. | Weissaul you beat me to it. Multi-islands, Multi-peninsula's and the Alps make people who live within miles of each other foreigners to one another. Also the grassland highway that runs from Mongolia all the way to about Hungary means Europe is accessible to Cavalries from the expanse of Asia.
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May 27th, 2012, 01:04 PM
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#28 | | Historian
Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 1,542 | Quote:
Originally Posted by Mosquito The answer is simple. Because in Europe are Germans and Russians and most of time they spent attacking other people and trying to steal their land. |
Well, quite understandable Polish position  But it is not only that...
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May 27th, 2012, 01:09 PM
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#29 | | Academician
Joined: Mar 2012 Posts: 69 | Quote:
Originally Posted by The Cell I don't think so either  , Like I said in my previous post, Europe recorded their wars in some form or another, Thus we know about most of these war, if not all. Where as few other places did the same, thus we will never know of the wars they fought... | I also belief it has much to do with eurocentrism. Here in Europe, most attention is given to European and western wars. Only very little attention the numerous dynastic wars and twists in China, India and the Middle East.
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May 27th, 2012, 01:29 PM
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#30 | | the governed self
Joined: Jan 2007 From: Nebraska Posts: 10,297 |
If one looks at the map of Europe, he will see that it is a large peninsula jutting off from the Eurasian land-mass. But it is not just a peninsula - it is a peninsula made up of many peninsulas, some larger, some smaller. There are also many islands off the coasts, some larger, some smaller.
So, the geography of Europe fostered the emergence of "many active rivals."
Apparently a person has a certain amount of understanding, sympathy, trust, etc, available to deploy, and no more than that. That generally is used up on those who live in his vicinity, I guess.
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