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May 26th, 2012, 03:30 AM
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#1 | | Bonapartist
Joined: Sep 2010 From: Somewhere in the former First French Empire Posts: 3,056 | Why did Europe knew so many wars
Europe in history has been the continent with the most wars. During his entire pre cold war history almost every decade European powers battled each other for power. Outside Europe we pretended and were believed to be ubermenschen, but inside Europe we were slitting each others throats. Why and why in Europe? Did we hate each other so much or are white people more interested in world domination then other races or something else perhaps? Was it because we were so far developed in comparison to the rest of the world that knowledge made in attractive to engage in wars. Any good explanations?
PS: You just have to listen to this song it's about Europe's violent history. | | |
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May 26th, 2012, 03:48 AM
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#2 | | OBLIVIOUS
Joined: Dec 2011 From: Ohio Posts: 5,266 |
I think it's mostly because you have so many different cultures in such close proximity, with dense populations competing for limited resources. (Good song, by the way  )
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May 26th, 2012, 04:22 AM
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#3 | | Acting Corporal
Joined: May 2011 From: Navan, Ireland Posts: 5,186 |
Sorry I do not know enough about world history to accept the statement that Europe was a particularly more warlike place compared to other regions of the world, say India, Japan or China.
Now at times all these regions have been ruled by a large central Empire (which I doubt came into being because the 'Ruler' asked nicely!) which kept the 'peace', Europe (or the West at least) didn't have this after the fall of Rome. So there were lots of 'Realms' incompetition with each other each one wanting to get ahead/afraid of the others.
Wasn't India like this after the decline of the Murghal Emperors? not a peaceful place at all and it was the British via The East India Company who came out on top.
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May 26th, 2012, 04:44 AM
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#4 | | Historian
Joined: Jan 2012 From: City 17 Posts: 2,912 |
europe indeed has many countries per sq. km than any other continent  i think this was because of feudalism. after the fall of rome there were many tribes having their own sense of "nation": own dialect, own customs etc. simply put, lack of a central power. therefore this led to many clashes. thankfully, they stopped fighting each other after ww2.
imagine bismarck didn't unify many german states. there would be ~16 more countries in europe today.
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May 26th, 2012, 05:05 AM
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#5 | | Historian
Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 1,335 |
On the other hand northern Italy was full of little statelets (and more substantial ones). They fought each other, and the Emperor, and the French, anyone really, like buggery all through the Middle Ages and the Renaissance (and they weren't feudal btw.). And then they stopped... The little states were still there (well, not quite all of the starting complement). They just settled down and got along with each other in the 18th c. One of these seeming paradoxes of European history. We have great political fragmentation and so ended up fighting innumerable wars — except the bits where we didn't, and just got along peacefully. Go figure?
Or maybe it's just as simple as political fragmentation not being in itself a reason for fighting? People can get along fine in a politically fragmented state. Fighting starts when some people, at certain levels, decide peaceful coexistance is less interesting than violent unification (under them for preference)?
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May 26th, 2012, 05:16 AM
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#6 | | Historian
Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 1,542 |
Europe is not an exception. All old nations had a lot of wars. See Rome, for example. Or even USA! Or Russia, or China.
War is natural for history. In Europe we have huge historical dynamics on a relatively small territory. How without wars? | | |
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May 26th, 2012, 06:38 AM
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#7 | | None shall pass!
Joined: Aug 2010 From: Somewhere in France(for now) Posts: 6,550 |
wherever there are people there will be wars
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May 26th, 2012, 06:42 AM
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#8 | | Historian ¤ Member of the Year ¤
Joined: Sep 2011 From: UK Posts: 14,612 |
I don't agree with your statement, Europe has not been proven to have had more wars than anywhere else. Even tribal communities slaughtered one another over and over again. Where there are groups of people, you will get battles, this has been proven worldwide throughout history.
As long as there is mankind, humans will fight.
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May 26th, 2012, 06:43 AM
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#9 | | Bonapartist
Joined: Sep 2010 From: Somewhere in the former First French Empire Posts: 3,056 | Quote:
Originally Posted by irishcrusader95 wherever there are people there will be wars | A wise statement. But it looks like Europeans love it the most. Even China's wars don't come close to those of Europe.
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May 26th, 2012, 06:49 AM
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#10 | | Epicurean
Joined: Mar 2009 From: Texas Posts: 23,876 |
1. Everyone is so close together.
2. Fighting for the same resources
3. Fighting for expansion
4. Religious alliances
5. Monarchical alliances
6. Nationalism
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