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View Poll Results: Who's side are you on?
The Central Powers 139 29.20%
The Triple Entente 187 39.29%
Neither one of them 150 31.51%
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Old December 27th, 2014, 10:06 AM   #841
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After every wave of participation in this poll, the ratio barely budges:

4 - 3 - 3 in favor the Entente.

just about at 300 votes, nice.

IOW there is no clear majority for either side as the Good Guys, but the Entente is slightly ahead on points, and the "plague on both their houses" vote holds the balance.

Sounds a pretty fair verdict to me.
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Old December 27th, 2014, 10:12 AM   #842
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If some Great Power(s) would have had the will to make a large-scale commitment to help overthrow the Bolsheviks during the Russian Civil War, then the Bolsheviks would have probably gotten overthrown; thus, no Soviet Union, Communist China, and North Korea.

Likewise, if France and Britain would have had the will to "nip the Nazi German regime in the bud" early enough, then World War II would have probably never occurred.

After an exhausting bloodbath like WW1, there wasn't the remotest chance of any power - and certainly of any democracy - having the will to make a large-scale commitment to anything. Even the US, which suffered least, didn't want to know.

The Entente couldn't even summon up the energy to enforce its own peace treaty. In such circs, the remarkable thing isn't the period of appeasement - that was a foregone conclusion - but how quickly it was shaken off.
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Old December 27th, 2014, 10:14 AM   #843

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To me it is pretty remarkable that a losing faction can get 3 votes for every 4 which the winning side gets--a century after the war. Geographically speaking the CP is pulling more support than it should based on our members' home nations or even extended ethnicity. (Based on ancestry and my ancestors' role in the war, I was an American vote for the CP.)

To me, it seems that there is "protest against today's world system" aspect to some of the sympathy for the CP among our membership.
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Old December 27th, 2014, 10:23 AM   #844
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Contrary to myth, the victors don't always write the history. In a romantic novel c1900, no hero was ever shown as fighting for the North in the ACW, and Jacobites far considerable better than Hanoverians, and Cavaliers than Roundheads.

Hohenzollern Germany doesn't fare quite so well, being somewhat "Roundheadish" itself. A Germany united under Austria would be seen as Good Guy by a far higher percentage.
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Old December 27th, 2014, 10:42 AM   #845

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And a romantic perspective I'd say is connected to a discontent with the present power system, so I guess my comment was that in English-speaking world today there's a palpable discontent with institutions. To that extent, my opinion is our mostly English-speaking membership projects virtue on the CP that are, well, more romantic than factual.

However... when it came to my vote, since the Entente were infringing on my right to be born in the 60s... my vote here was for the Central Powers.
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Old December 27th, 2014, 11:17 AM   #846
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I wished we had this support during WWI and not 100 years later
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Old December 27th, 2014, 11:20 AM   #847

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Neither one of them...I think WWI was a good thing, because it so weakened the British empire that it made its demise inevitable.
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Old December 27th, 2014, 11:36 AM   #848

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shivfan, I hate to burst your bubble but today's security and financial arrangements are direct successors to the British Empire.
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shivfan, I hate to burst your bubble but today's security and financial arrangements are direct successors to the British Empire.
That is indeed true, but at least now that the British no longer have direct rule, people of colour now actually have a chance of social mobility in the West Indian islands...small steps.

In colonial British West Indies, you could only get important jobs if you had a light complexion.

So, while the North Atlantic countries still control the world economy, there is now greater equality in these islands.

Back when WWI was going on, Caribbean men turned up and offered their services for the British empire. People like Norman Manley, who was a great fan, were told that because of the colour of their skin, they couldn't be officers. As a result, Manley and his brother were sent into the trenches as privates, where his brother was killed.

Manley never forgave the British for discriminating against him and his brother on the basis of the colour of his skin, and when he returned to Jamaica, he became one of the leaders of the independence movement. Under British colonial rule, more than 50% of the population was illiterate (all black), with no hope of social advancement. Now, the island has 90-odd percent literacy, and a black man who is the illegitimate son of a single mother can entertain the hope of becoming prime minister.

Much better than the "good old days"....
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I accidentally clicked the Central Powers instead of the Triple Entente...
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