Turkish Celts ? - Page 3 - Historum

cavaros · June 25th, 2012, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by macro

Galatians are part of Ancient Anatolian civilisations. They belong to Anatolian people > in other words todays Turks.

Aside from Genetic continuation, there is also cultural and linguistic continuation if we look at today's Anatolian Turks. Not to be confused with Central asian Turkic people. Turkic and Turkish are two different things which a lot of people confuse.

Excuse my ignorance, but I thought today's Turks were basically descended from the Asiatic Turkic tribes. If this is not the case, then who (in your opinion) are today's Turks ?

Iolo · June 25th, 2012, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by antocya

At some point we're going to have a - Were the Inca Turks thread or something like that. Strangely, there isn't much Gaelic in English.

Why should there be? Only British and German were spoken in most of Britain. Gaelic is spoken mainly in Nova Scotia some tell me.

Bahadir · June 25th, 2012, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by cavaros

Excuse my ignorance, but I thought today's Turks were basically descended from the Asiatic Turkic tribes. If this is not the case, then who (in your opinion) are today's Turks ?

You are very much right, today's Turks are mostly descendants of nomadic Oghuz Turks(I do not say Asiatic but Turkic is enough). I have presented a source of research based on Ottoman tax registers in the thread origins of Anatolian people, you can check that thread. I am not sure ancient Anatolian people somehow related to ancient Turks, but there are many scholars claiming such theories.

@macro, Turkish is a Turkic language too and Turkey is one of the Turkic country, I hope this clears the confusion...

macro · June 25th, 2012, 12:57 PM

Turkic refers to language branch

Turkish refers to Ethnicity

Bahadir · June 25th, 2012, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by macro

Turkish refers to Ethnicity

Turkish is used for citizens of Turkey like Uzbek is used for the citizens of Uzbekstan...

**Midas** · June 25th, 2012, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by cavaros

and the large number of Celtic words in the modern Turkish language:

http://www.galloturca.com/galatians_files/galatianwords.htm

Cavaros, thank you again for an excellent blog.

I wanted to ask you however, what is that list based on really. I am trying to find sources on that word list but I see nothing. My doubt started by reading some things about the Galatian language and then I saw haydi which is definitely not Celtic.

**Midas** · June 25th, 2012, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by macro

Galatians are part of Ancient Anatolian civilisations.

Galatians were not Anatolians, but Celtic. They arrived in Anatolia late and were more or less assimilated by the Phrygians, who in turn were mostly Balkanic people. More or less, they were people like Asterix if that makes it easier to understand

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Yaunâ · June 25th, 2012, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by macro

Anatolian Greeks are only a minority in Greece. Just a note.

They form more than 40% of the population after intermarriages. In my area (northern Greece) they are the majority.

cavaros · June 26th, 2012, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Midas

Cavaros, thank you again for an excellent blog.

I wanted to ask you however, what is that list based on really. I am trying to find sources on that word list but I see nothing. My doubt started by reading some things about the Galatian language and then I saw haydi which is definitely not Celtic.

Thanks, Midas. The Galatian/Turkish loanword question is an interesting one that could provide interesting data from a linguistic perspective (as would a study of Celtic loanwords in Balkan languages). The language link has nothing to do with Balkancelts, but I thought it provided 'food for thought'. The subject obviously needs a lot more research.

Iolo · June 26th, 2012, 04:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Iolo

Why should there be? Only British and German were spoken in most of Britain. Gaelic is spoken mainly in Nova Scotia some tell me.

And why on earth quote Irish - the most westerly Celtic language - as eviodence for the most easterly? As a British-Celtic speaker, by the way, I don't recognise any of those words at all.