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Old December 17th, 2013, 08:57 AM   #121
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Now suppose that someone wrote statements like this about Stalin's genocides across the Soviet Union. Would you accept them, or would you label them proof of the Jewi-er, 'liberal' (the term deniers too wimpy to express the full nature of their ideas used) academic world and its biases?
What genocides, any info on that?
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Old December 17th, 2013, 09:05 AM   #122
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Hitler was a coward who took his own life, was thrown into a hole and burned while the Russians flew their flag high on all that he adored.
So, what have you read about Hitler?
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So, what have you read about Hitler?
One needs to be careful about who's writing those books you speak of..I would have thought someone from a Southern Austrian state like yourself would have realized that.
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Old December 17th, 2013, 09:47 AM   #124
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Lol, you cant start off saying, "No personal interest here , and no direct or personal involvement .." and end up saying, "Why should we listen to all those nutz or fascist deniers out there...". You're displaying your virulent bias for all to see.

SS liaison to the Foreign Office Martin Franz Julius Luther (1895 - 1945) was at the Wannsee conference and wrote, ""... at the end of this war all Jews would have to leave Europe. This was an unalterable decision of the Fuehrer ...".

"A good three or four hundred years will go by before the Jews set foot again
in Europe. They'll return first of all as commercial travelers, then gradually
they'll become emboldened to settle here -- the better to exploit us…"
- Adolf Hitler - January 23, 1942, Table Talk.


"The Jews must pack up and disappear from Europe. Let them go to
Russia. Where the Jews are concerned, I'm devoid of all sense of pity."
- Adolf Hitler - January 27, 1942, Table Talk.

On July 24, 1942, the Führer confirmed this intention with pithy words:
“After finishing the war he will take the rigorous position that he will crush city after city, if the Jews would not come out and migrate to Madagascar or some other Jewish national state.” Henry Picker, Hitler’s Tischgespräche im Führerhauptquartier, Wilhelm Goldmann Verlag, Munich 1981, p. 456.
Racism, lies and murder, is what it was. I get the feeling some things haven't changed much with some people.

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Old December 17th, 2013, 10:03 AM   #125
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Since this is a history forum, why don't I go ahead and share some historic newspapers with you peoples.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dda-0Q_XUhk]SIX MILLION JEWS 1915-1938 HD - YouTube[/ame]

Regardless of whatever the implications may or may not be, an interesting video no doubt.
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Old December 17th, 2013, 11:48 AM   #126
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One needs to be careful about who's writing those books you speak of..I would have thought someone from a Southern Austrian state like yourself would have realized that.
Which books are they and why do you say that?

Have you read any of these books?
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Racism, lies and murder, is what it was. I get the feeling some things haven't changed much with some people.
You've completely missed the point.

Hitler was talking about moving the Jews to Madagascar or Russia (anywhere but Germany), this was in 1942 when the supposed death camp policy was well under way.

These statements are in sharp contrast to the idea that the Germans wanted to commit genocide.
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You've completely missed the point.

Hitler was talking about moving the Jews to Madagascar or Russia (anywhere but Germany), this was in 1942 when the supposed death camp policy was well under way.

These statements are in sharp contrast to the idea that the Germans wanted to commit genocide.
He was committing genocide...he wanted no trace of them left...he burned all their books as well...he was a sick lunatic and anyone who defends him is sick too.
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He was committing genocide...he wanted no trace of them left...he burned all their books as well...he was a sick lunatic and anyone who defends him is sick too.
This sort of ad hominem attack may provide some sort of emotional catharsis, but it does not advance the discussion one iota.

The statements made by Hitler need to be properly analysed and evaluated in their context.

In October 1941 he also commented that it was a good thing that Jews were fleeing across the Urals into the Soviet interior. Such a comment is entirely consistent with a desire to drive all Jews out of Germany and German-occupied Europe, but not at all consistent with a desire to catch them all and kill them.

Another example. In early 1940, Eichmann's office wrote on two occasions to the Soviet authorities responsible for immigration, asking them to allow the entire Jewish population of the part of Poland under German occupation to immigrate into the Soviet Union under the terms of the Soviet-German Agreement on Population Exchange.

On both occasions the Soviet authorities refused, on the grounds that the Agreement on Population Exchange allowed only ethnic Belarusians and Ukrainians to migrate into the Soviet Union, not Jews.

The approach by Eichmann's office was entirely inconsistent with any German policy of killing all Jews under German control, since the proposed emigration would have had the effect of taking over one million Jews out of that control.

The historical evidence, when considered as a whole, strongly suggests that mass killing of Jews was resorted to by local German authorities when all other options for removal of the Jewish population were closed off, particularly after the failure to defeat the Soviet Union, and was subsequently endorsed by Hitler on a case-by-case basis.

It does not support the contention that the mass killing was triggered by an prior order from Hitler to kill all Jews.
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This sort of ad hominem attack may provide some sort of emotional catharsis, but it does not advance the discussion one iota.

The statements made by Hitler need to be properly analysed and evaluated in their context.

In October 1941 he also commented that it was a good thing that Jews were fleeing across the Urals into the Soviet interior. Such a comment is entirely consistent with a desire to drive all Jews out of Germany and German-occupied Europe, but not at all consistent with a desire to catch them all and kill them.

Another example. In early 1940, Eichmann's office wrote on two occasions to the Soviet authorities responsible for immigration, asking them to allow the entire Jewish population of the part of Poland under German occupation to immigrate into the Soviet Union under the terms of the Soviet-German Agreement on Population Exchange.

On both occasions the Soviet authorities refused, on the grounds that the Agreement on Population Exchange allowed only ethnic Belarusians and Ukrainians to migrate into the Soviet Union, not Jews.

The approach by Eichmann's office was entirely inconsistent with any German policy of killing all Jews under German control, since the proposed emigration would have had the effect of taking over one million Jews out of that control.

The historical evidence, when considered as a whole, strongly suggests that mass killing of Jews was resorted to by local German authorities when all other options for removal of the Jewish population were closed off, particularly after the failure to defeat the Soviet Union, and was subsequently endorsed by Hitler on a case-by-case basis.

It does not support the contention that the mass killing was triggered by an prior order from Hitler to kill all Jews.
This is absolute rubbish...Hitler wouldn't have used the resources he did to murder the Jews unless he ordered it.
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