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Old December 21st, 2013, 11:42 AM   #171
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The trial was lost as were subsequent one's and much of the technical evidence of 'expert' witness' discredited (although David Irving was well impressed).
The point is a 'holocaust expert' Raul Hilberg admitted there is NO EVIDENCE of gas chambers or that even one person was gassed in Auschwitz and an expert witness on hydrogen cyanide states clearly that the buildings known as the gas chambers could not have been used for that purpose.
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Old December 21st, 2013, 11:45 AM   #172
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The point is a 'holocaust expert' Raul Hilberg admitted there is NO EVIDENCE of gas chambers or that even one person was gassed in Auschwitz and an expert witness on hydrogen cyanide states clearly that the buildings known as the gas chambers could not have been used for that purpose.

Are you trying to suggest that none of it happened..No jews were killed?
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Old December 21st, 2013, 11:50 AM   #173

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If you think that my avatar is actually a photo of myself, you clearly are not a Dr Who fan, another reason for me to dislike you.


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Why do you continue to throw mud at the discussion,
I'm not throwing mud at the discussion, I'm merely pointing out facts

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All of which have been challenged or disproven in this case or elsewhere. As Kevinmeath says, he lost the case.
Show me where they have been challenged or disproven, link?

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He says no gas chambers, thousands of camp survivors disagree, along with the physical evidence in the form of the chambers themselves, stockpiled Zyklon B etc.
The "physical evidence" were buildings the enemies of the Germans decided were 'gas chambers', it doesnt mean they were gas chambers, in fact the evidence says otherwise.

Even 'holocaust experts' agree that 95% of Zyklon B was for fumigation of clothing and buildings. Imo that should read 100%.

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If it comes down to his word against the word of thousands (victims and expert witnesses for the existence of camps) then the majority must be considered in the right.
Eyewitness evidence is notoriously unreliable depending on the bias and involvement etc of the witness. Most 'holocaust experts' agree that this is the case. If you merely believe in something because you want to despite the lack of evidence it is more akin to a religion than a historical event. That is something for you to decide, is the 'Holocaust' an historical event or a religion?

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Just as he brings his bias to it, and you bring yours and anyone with an opinion brings theirs. It is absolutely right for me to challenge him as an expert witness, he is not infallible and I consider it a moral duty to challenge holocaust deniers and their sick ideologies. If you are so weak and easily led as to take his words at face value then that's your problem but you cannot expect me to keep quiet about it!
What are the 'sick ideologies' you are talking about?

You are entitled to challenge him but you must base what you believe on real evidence and not on something you have been led to believe happened without any real basis.
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Even 'holocaust experts' agree that 95% of Zyklon B was for fumigation of clothing and buildings
Only very small amounts are required to kill humans, Lice are far harder to kill with Zyklon B
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That's because you are a denier
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Are you trying to suggest that none of it happened..No jews were killed?
Of course not.
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I was just hoping, she's so cute
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Only very small amounts are required to kill humans, Lice are far harder to kill with Zyklon B
Aha, so you knew that but you didnt volunteer it, that explains the huge stockpiles no?

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Comparing yourself to innocent victims of the Nazi's merely shows you for what you are.
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“.................... Students should also be referred to some of the many publications documenting the Holocaust. Perhaps the most extraordinary book in this respect is Jean-Claude Pressac's Auschwitz: Technique and Operation of the Gas Chambers. Including extensive documentation concerning the construction of the gas chambers and crematoria, a wide range of photo-graphic and testimonial evidence of the "criminal traces," and articles which address the deniers, this work renders the Holocaust as hoax position completely untenable." One might also direct students to some other impressive works on the camps, including Yisrael Gutman and Michael Berenbaum, eds., Anatomy of the Auschwitz Death Camp, Yitzhak Arad' s, The Pictorial History of the Holocaust, and his book Belzec, Sobibor, Treblinka: The Operation Reinhard Death Camps; as well as Konnilyn Feig's, Hitler's Death Camps: The Sanity of Madness; and Georges Wellers, Les Chambres gaz ont existd: Des documents destimoignages des chiffres. Another documentary work, The Stroop Report, which concerns the destruction of the Warsaw ghetto, has an English translation adjoining the SS report. The nature of the SS under-taking is disturbingly clear, and the euphemistic "Amtsprache" found here is indicative o f the way in which the perpetrators tried to conceal (or at least sanitize) their undertaking. Himmler's speeches in Posen in October 1943 (there are two that are extant) are of a similar nature: often-times euphemistic, although again, shockingly clear. He concludes both speeches by noting that the SS perpetrators must "take responsibility for the deed, and not only for an idea, and then take that secret with them to the grave..............."

Education Confronting the "Holocaust as Hoax" Phenomenon as Teachers” Jonathan Petropoulos “The History Teacher”, Vol. 28, No. 4 (Aug., 1995), pp. 523-539

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