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diddyriddick July 7th, 2012 07:21 AM

Report: Hitler ordered his Jewish World War I commander protected
 
"Adolf Hitler personally intervened to protect a Jewish man who had been his commanding officer during World War I, according to a letter unearthed by the Jewish Voice from Germany newspaper."

Report: Hitler ordered his Jewish World War I commander protected - World News

Virgil July 7th, 2012 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by diddyriddick (Post 1114274)
"Adolf Hitler personally intervened to protect a Jewish man who had been his commanding officer during World War I, according to a letter unearthed by the Jewish Voice from Germany newspaper."

Report: Hitler ordered his Jewish World War I commander protected - World News

Hitler always was such a softy wasn't he? That pretty much makes up for all the people he murdered. I think this thread will go where it will go, but when I read this article yesterday I was reminded that he was also a vegetarian, was against smoking, and was an all around jerk. I have never understood what the motivation was behind the Nazi persecution of the Jews. The Nazis were not particularly religious from what I can tell, they could not claim that Jewish people were a drain on society since they obviously were successful as a group, so I cannot even fathom what drove the Nazis in their hatred of Jewish people.

Space Shark July 7th, 2012 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Virgil (Post 1114294)
Hitler always was such a softy wasn't he? That pretty much makes up for all the people he murdered. I think this thread will go where it will go, but when I read this article yesterday I was reminded that he was also a vegetarian, was against smoking, and was an all around jerk. I have never understood what the motivation was behind the Nazi persecution of the Jews. The Nazis were not particularly religious from what I can tell, they could not claim that Jewish people were a drain on society since they obviously were successful as a group, so I cannot even fathom what drove the Nazis in their hatred of Jewish people.

The Jews were just a convient scapegoat, unfourtunatly.

Virgil July 7th, 2012 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Space Shark (Post 1114343)
The Jews were just a convient scapegoat, unfourtunatly.

As long as we don't allow history to repeat itself. Some of that language is used today to condemn bankers I think. I do not know if they are trolls or whatever, but I have posted on CNN news threads before and seen the odd comment about Jewish bankers and how they are evil and ruining the world. I thought this kind of insanity was behind us today, but there are some out there who blame everything on Jews and bankers. I am a banker in case you wondered, but I am not Jewish so I cannot claim to know how they view these issues. I don't know if this is the place to discuss an issue as serious as why the Nazis killed millions, but I guess I followed the thread to that point, however unintended.

Jinit July 7th, 2012 08:47 AM

I read that article in the newspaper too.
By the way the person who taught Hitler his famous mass controlling techniques & gestures was himself a Jew - Erik Jan Hanussen. However unfortunately Hitler wasn't able to save him as he was assinated in 1933.

[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erik_Jan_Hanussen]Erik Jan Hanussen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

The Amyclae July 7th, 2012 08:54 AM

This isn't surprising at all. One of the major factors that made the German system of annihilation so effective was that, paradoxically, responsibility for the killing of the Jews (or other undesirables) increased conversely with how much of the killing one did. The vast majority of the Jews who were killed in the death camps were, after all, killed by other Jews. They 'pulled the switch.' As Eichmann repeatedly said at his trial, and which was more-or-less found to be truthful, he never committed a murder. He was not a murderer. I think, with perhaps a few exceptions, that rule holds essentially true throughout the whole German High Command and especially for all the bureucrats who saw the Holocaust as their special purview.

To me, then, it isn't surprising at all that Hitler had no problem saving the life of a Jew. His vision was system where its 'beauty' went beyond the mere death count. Its beauty was that became impossible for many to think that saving an undesirable was a worthy action. Yet, at no point, was the system brought together within one man. One person never decided to kill a Jew and then, in fact, killed one; as many said, even as they approached the gallows in Jerusalem and Nuremburg, 'I was only following orders.' The idea that they were about to kill a human never, really, seemed to penetrate in a meaningful way. Ultimately, the system worked because it made it 'normal' for millions to die. As the architect of the system, and perhaps in some way existing outside of it, Hitler would never see it as 'normal.'

The decision to eliminate the Jews and those who carried out the actions was (and is, I suppose) a distinguishable mark between the highest echelon of the Nazi Party and those who were not. General Alfred Jodl, hanged at Nuremburg, "How was it possible that all honorable generals could continue to serve a murderer with such unquestioning loyalty?" It was "not the task of a soldier to act as judge over his supreme commander. Let history do that or God in heaven."

Or, to quote Hannah Arendt, many "must have been tempted not to murder, not to rob, not to let their neighbors go off to their doom... But, God knows, they had learned how to resist temptation."

Virgil July 7th, 2012 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by The Amyclae (Post 1114408)
This isn't surprising at all. One of the major factors that made the German system of annihilation so effective was that, paradoxically, responsibility for the killing of the Jews (or other undesirables) increased conversely with how much of the killing one did. The vast majority of the Jews who were killed in the death camps were, after all, killed by other Jews. They 'pulled the switch.' As Eichmann repeatedly said at his trial, and which was more-or-less found to be truthful, he never committed a murder. He was not a murderer. I think, with perhaps a few exceptions, that rule holds essentially true throughout the whole German High Command and especially for all the bureucrats who saw the Holocaust as their special purview.

To me, then, it isn't surprising at all that Hitler had no problem saving the life of a Jew. His vision was system where its 'beauty' went beyond the mere death count. Its beauty was that became impossible for many to think that saving an undesirable was a worthy action. Yet, at no point, was the system brought together within one man. One person never decided to kill a Jew and then, in fact, killed one; as many said, even as they approached the gallows in Jerusalem and Nuremburg, 'I was only following orders.' The idea that they were about to kill a human never, really, seemed to penetrate in a meaningful way. Ultimately, the system worked because it made it 'normal' for millions to die. As the architect of the system, and perhaps in some way existing outside of it, Hitler would never see it as 'normal.'

The decision to eliminate the Jews and those who carried out the actions was (and is, I suppose) a distinguishable mark between the highest echelon of the Nazi Party and those who were not. General Alfred Jodl, hanged at Nuremburg, "How was it possible that all honorable generals could continue to serve a murderer with such unquestioning loyalty?" It was "not the task of a soldier to act as judge over his supreme commander. Let history do that or God in heaven."

Or, to quote Hannah Arendt, many "must have been tempted not to murder, not to rob, not to let their neighbors go off to their doom... But, God knows, they had learned how to resist temptation."

Excellent post.

M.S. Islam July 8th, 2012 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Virgil (Post 1114294)
... The Nazis were not particularly religious from what I can tell, they could not claim that Jewish people were a drain on society since they obviously were successful as a group, so I cannot even fathom what drove the Nazis in their hatred of Jewish people.

Much is untold in what led up to anti-Semitic sentiment of the Nazis. The following is a clue:

The Jewish Declaration of War on Nazi Germany: The Economic Boycott of 1933. M. Raphael Johnson, Ph.D.

M.S. Islam July 8th, 2012 06:38 AM

A little excerpt from the above link:



"According to The Daily Express of London of March 24, 1933, the Jews had already launched their boycott against Germany and her elected government. The headline read "Judea Declares War on Germany - Jews of All the World Unite - Boycott of German Goods - Mass Demonstrations." The article described a forthcoming "holy war" and went on to implore Jews everywhere to boycott German goods and engage in mass demonstrations against German economic interests. According to the Express:

  • The whole of Israel throughout the world is uniting to declare an economic and financial war on Germany. The appearance of the Swastika as the symbol of the new Germany has revived the old war symbol of Judas to new life. Fourteen million Jews scattered over the entire world are tight to each other as if one man, in order to declare war against the German persecutors of their fellow believers.
    The Jewish wholesaler will quit his house, the banker his stock exchange, the merchant his business, and the beggar his humble hut, in order to join the holy war against Hitler's people.
The Express said that Germany was "now confronted with an international boycott of its trade, its finances, and its industry.... In London, New York, Paris and Warsaw, Jewish businessmen are united to go on an economic crusade."

amazedkat July 8th, 2012 06:39 AM

the guy wasn't jewish. he had a jewish mother but was a protestant, was reading about him the other day. he fell foul of nazi racial law still, but calling him jewish is pandering to nazi classification.


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