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Old July 22nd, 2012, 06:08 AM   #1
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Hi, today I was google-ing the vikings and found someone interesting that is not much written about him so I'm curious for his history but I was trying and trying to find more info and I can't I found this forum while I was searching and I guess I'll try my chances here now

Who is the viking known as "Ali" is there any information about him that is not on the wiki? Can someone please help me find more info about him?



This is what is written on the wiki about him:
U 194

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U 194.


This secluded runestone is located in a grove near Vńsby,
Uppland Uppland
,
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. It was raised by a Viking in commemoration of his receiving one danegeld in England. It is classified as being carved in
Runestone_styles Runestone_styles
Pr3 and, together with U 344, it has been said to be the earliest example of an
Urnes_style Urnes_style
inscription in Uppland.[5] The runic text follows a common rule to only carve a single rune for two consecutive letters, even when the letters were at the end of one word and the beginning of a second word.[6] When the text shown as Latin characters, the transliterated runes are doubled and separate words are shown. For U 194 has three examples where this occurred, ■inoftiR is transliterated as ■ino| |oftiR, tuknuts as tuk| |knuts, and anklanti as a| |anklanti.

Latin transliteration:
al|i| |l|it raisa stain ■ino| |oftiR sik sialfan ' hon tuk| |knuts kialt a| |anklanti ' ku■ hialbi hons ant

Old Norse transcription:
Ali/Alli let rŠisa stŠin ■enna ŠftiR sik sialfan. Hann tok Knuts giald a Ănglandi. Gu­ hialpi hans and.

English translation:
"┴li/Alli had this stone raised in memory of himself. He took Kn˙tr's payment in England. May God help his spirit."
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Old July 23rd, 2012, 01:48 AM   #2
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Hi, I don't think we know a lot about Ali. But the name is not uncommon. Appearently, he was a warrior in the service of the Danish king Knut the Great, who later also ruled England. So Ali must have lived in the first half of the 1000s.
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The form of the name in the inscription is apparently "al[i]" with the "i" missing but inferred. It's then transcribed as "Alli", which corresponds to somewhat modern modern Swedish forms of "Alle" or "Ale".

fivebyfive.be: Samnordisk Runtextdatabas - "U 194"

But no, it's overshelmingly unlikely there's going to be any more information about this individual, who apprently accompanied king Knut of Denmark, Canute the Great, to England.
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Old July 24th, 2012, 02:15 AM   #4
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okay thanks to both of you I got soooo interrested in him but if there is no info than I gotta get over it :/
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Why are you so interested in Ali in particular?
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Old July 24th, 2012, 04:55 PM   #6
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Why are you so interested in Ali in particular?
Don't know xD got interested in him since there is very little information about him but he still did exist... :/ damn why didn't learn about archeology as a kid lol with 16 years learning to be a freaking sales man (and I hate the job) pff ..
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Old July 25th, 2012, 03:08 AM   #7
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Some of the forerunners of the vikings, such as goths, heruli and langobards traveled through Croatia during the Migration period. Perhaps you can find traces of them back home? But that's another topic...
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Is anyone familiar with this design? I haven't seen that type of guard in a "Viking" age sword before.
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Is anyone familiar with this design? I haven't seen that type of guard in a "Viking" age sword before.
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Seems to be based on this one:

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But as the decription discloses it is quite unusual. According to the finds the average Viking Age sword would have looked something like this:

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So as far as we know, it may be a one of a kind design?

Thanks for the respond, also.
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